Advice on challenging mushroom trips please

[taita]

I too love pyschedelics just wish I could be more brave, I have the utmost respect for them.

Idk bro, regularly taking 3 to 4 g of jmf sounds pretty fucking brave to me lol

 

[Davski]

I only use them when I need an extended hard time, what you described seems like them doing their job

I brew them in tea. I grind them to a powder and then let them steep, then filter the whole thing into the chemex and flavor with lemon and honey anywhere from 14 grams to 26 depending on the dose I need. I am not recommending this to anyone I am just answering what you asked.

It helps reading that others have challenges with the shroomies, I like how you said that they are doing the job. I definitely notice improvement in my mental health for a good 2 to 3 weeks.

Ive been thinking of making tea as I get acid indigestion from lemon tek. Ive read alot of different opinions and watched a number of youtube videos etc on brew time and tempreture. What temp do you brew at and how long? Thanks.

That is a serious high number of a dose, do you feel more panicky and have challenging trips the higher the dosage or with those numbers you dont as much as you lose your ego?

I found 4gs of JMF was very intense, so dropped down to 3gs and even then at times I think I am dying and this body i am in is going to stop working. But they definitely help for a while with my mental health so I accept the bumpy road.

 

[taita]

If lemon Tek bugs your stomach, try OJ Tek. It is far superior imo. OJ fully converts psilocybin to psilocin (lemon Tek does about half iirc), so it comes on sooner, is super bright and clear, and ends sooner, plus it's more pleasant to consume than lemon Tek imo

Tea (with boiling water only) should be consumed as soon as it is able to be drunk, as the actives break down fairly quickly. Tea with anything less than boiling water will lead to lost potency. Lemon tek preserves potency and effects a partial conversion of psilocybin to psilocin. OJ and also Coke (funnily enough) effect a full conversion and retain full potency for at least an hour after mixing

 

[Davski]

I am hoping that my previous comments didn't come off as sounding obnoxious in this way. Some of the most powerful experiences I've had have been relatively lower doses. My wife doses considerably lower than i do, in general, but her experiences sound crazier than the numbers indicate.

My comments were really speaking more to the idea that IF you are wanting to do higher doses, this is a skill that is learned like anything else. And the learning of that art comes with an entire host of gifts. There are a lot of parallels between high dose psychonauting and martial arts. One of the many things this has taught me is the sweet art of submission...letting go of the need to defend myself and my borders (down to the level of consciousness). When you follow that thread long enough it is attached to most of the bad shit we have done as a species.

I tell my wife all the time: the most important thing on this path is learning to trust yourself. she has now begun to do higher doses. not because she felt shamed or pressured into it, but because she feels like she is ready and wants to. There is a way in which the lower doses can actually be more difficult. A large majority of those experiences take place at the ego/identity level, dealing with psychological stuff etc. The higher doses tend to launch you beyond that and will inevitably clean that stuff up as a byproduct.

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Oh no your comments didnt come across as obnoxious not at all i really appreciate others opinions, its amazing how some can have low doses and others need higher. I was on high dose of antidepressants from 16 years old till my mid 30s then I started taking acid after stopping my meds for a number of days which I dont recommend people do.
I then started tapering of my meds took over a year and continued with acid then started with dimitri when finally off the meds. For a few years off meds I was doing about 600ug of acid and smoking loads of weed and yes I was gone but now 400ug and no weed and I am gone. I think its taken a good number of years too get the damaged caused by antidepressants out my system and now I am alot more sensitive to pyschedelics.

That make sense about the parrells between pyschedelics and martial arts, hahaha letting go I think I struggle with that at times, how strange an OCD-er struggling with letting go. You mentioned Learning to trust yourself when you chat to your wife about things, this is another challenge of mine linked very much to that OCD puppet.

Higher doses makes sense for me with DMT as I am stuck on 25mg and have been for sometime, if I go higher I won't experience the physical uncomfortableness that I sometimes get. A while ago I was doing 35mg but my technique wasn't dialled in on my emesh so I had a few uncomfortable rides and haven't recovered. Nothing serious but more psychological and setting me back, ironically I know if I bumped up to 30mg it would be alot better and more travel time but struggling with that.

 

[Davski]

Idk bro, regularly taking 3 to 4 g of jmf sounds pretty fucking brave to me lol

I feel pretty drained after a shroom trip. 4gs of them was enough so now 3gs and that is still enough haha.
I would love to get into having more visits with dimitri but my ego clearly doesnt, my ego would much prefer 4hrs off negative vibes rather than 10mins of extremely postive vibes.
I am going to make some changa soon just need to get another extraction done first, heard great things about changa.

 

[Davski]

If lemon Tek bugs your stomach, try OJ Tek. It is far superior imo. OJ fully converts psilocybin to psilocin (lemon Tek does about half iirc), so it comes on sooner, is super bright and clear, and ends sooner, plus it's more pleasant to consume than lemon Tek imo

Tea (with boiling water only) should be consumed as soon as it is able to be drunk, as the actives break down fairly quickly. Tea with anything less than boiling water will lead to lost potency. Lemon tek preserves potency and effects a partial conversion of psilocybin to psilocin. OJ and also Coke (funnily enough) effect a full conversion and retain full potency for at least an hour after mixing

I will try orange juice, thanks. Thats why i haven't tried making tea as I worry that I will lose the potency. With lemon tek I was letting it sit for 25mins then drink it all, do the same amount of time? Thanks

 

[taita]

I will try orange juice, thanks. Thats why i haven't tried making tea as I worry that I will lose the potency. With lemon tek I was letting it sit for 25mins then drink it all, do the same amount of time? Thanks

Yes it seems that max potency with OJ Tek is around the 30 minute mark - similar to lemon tek, but it seems to hold pretty steady for a while after that according to the data that's available, which stopped measuring at an hour after mixing iirc

Conversion to psilocin is more or less instant afaik, but I like to wait at least 15 minutes, ideally 30

 

[Davski]

Yes it seems that max potency with OJ Tek is around the 30 minute mark - similar to lemon tek, but it seems to hold pretty steady for a while after that according to the data that's available, which stopped measuring at an hour after mixing iirc

Cool OJ it shall be, I will watch the video link as well so double thanks.

 

[taita]

Yeah buddy! Spread the word

 

[Davski]

Yeah buddy! Spread the word

Its all about the oranges!

 

[doubledog]

Ime any slightly acidic water will do.
Last time I forgot to bring lemon (or lime) and had to use diluted elderberry sirup (with some citric acid in it).

 

[taita]

Ime any slightly acidic water will do.
Last time I forgot to bring lemon (or lime) and had to use diluted elderberry sirup (with some citric acid in it).

Orange hits different. Full conversion to psilocin.
Citric acid might do it, but acetic doesn't seem to convert fully afaict. It still works, of course. But orange is something special ime

RCL-2024-Lemon_Tek_Study.pdf https://share.google/Ede6aENp6INqb1KWz

 

[Davski]

Ime any slightly acidic water will do.
Last time I forgot to bring lemon (or lime) and had to use diluted elderberry sirup (with some citric acid in it).

I had a look at the link you posted on here about cubes, I found it really interesting, it helped that there were different opionions which always helps to get a better understanding but the overrule consensus is the cubes are more challenging. I wonder if one still gets the mental health benefits as much after a journey with non cubes.
Definitely made me think that trying non cubes maybe beneficial in the future. I only started getting into mushrooms last year so I enjoyed the read. Thanks

 

[doubledog]

Ime cubes are not more challenging than other mushrooms (at least that I know of), they are just somehow murky and more unpleasant. Other shrooms provides clearer experience with even more mental health benefits.

Imo it's quite unfortunate that cubes represent mushrooms to most people and I really hope that different species become much more popular.

 

[doubledog]

Orange hits different. Full conversion to psilocin.
Citric acid might do it, but acetic doesn't seem to convert fully afaict. It still works, of course. But orange is something special ime

RCL-2024-Lemon_Tek_Study.pdf https://share.google/Ede6aENp6INqb1KWz

Thanks for the study, really interesting.
I have tried various approaches in the past, including OJ, and didn't notice any substantial differencies.

 

[taita]

Thanks for the study, really interesting.
I have tried various approaches in the past, including OJ, and didn't notice any substantial differencies.

Interesting! For me the difference is pretty dramatic, even vs lemon Tek, but as they say, your mileage may vary.

So many variables with all things psychedelic

 

[taita]

Ime cubes are not more challenging than other mushrooms (at least that I know of), they are just somehow murky and more unpleasant. Other shrooms provides clearer experience with even more mental health benefits.

Imo it's quite unfortunate that cubes represent mushrooms to most people and I really hope that different species become much more popular.

I prefer cyanescens, tampanensis, and subtropicalis to cubes, easy. I'd like to try some pan cyans, zapotecorum, and ochras too.

A lot of the woodlovers are intriguing as well. Cyanescens are definitely great, imo, and some people swear that Allenii are angels incarnate

 

[doubledog]

Interesting! For me the difference is pretty dramatic, even vs lemon Tek, but as they say, your mileage may vary.

So many variables with all things psychedelic

Exactly! I know a guy who claims that lemon or OJ based method doesn't work better than consuming powdered shrooms.

 

[taita]

Exactly! I know a guy who claims that lemon or OJ based method doesn't work better than consuming powdered shrooms.

Ha, nice. He must have a very active liver!