Advice please: Did STB extraction and NPS evaporated before got into the freezer

[Davski]

It was my 2nd extraction so very much a newbie, I did a STB extraction with ACS Naphtha and two water washes and the first three pulls went fine, the following day I did the 4th and 5th pull with the nps that I poured off. With the 4/5 pull I made a rookie mistake of allowing it evap too much before put it in the freezer as I was sidetracked. I then managed to get about 5ml of DMT/NPS out of the soup beaker and after water washing this bit I put it in the glass dish with PTFE sheet and lid on and in the freezer thinking it may help.
24hrs later I got it out and saw that there was no DMT crystals and a tiny bit of solvent which I had added as I assumed it would help the crystals form but no way enough at all wishfull thinking.

I allowed it to sit with lid of an evap what was left, the next day when I looked at it there was what looked like nothing in the dish but after scraping there was a good amount of dimitri but it was not crystals more of a powder. I have it sitting in a small glass dish for about 48hrs now just to make sure all the Naphtha has evaporated and it smells like flowery so looks and smells good.
My question is if I want to turn into being more of a crystal like structure so easier to not melt threw when I use my emesh can I just heat naphtha up then add the dimitri dissolve it as it were then put into the glass dish then freeze? Ive read that ACS naphtha is alot cleaner than technical grade so there shouldnt be any additional chemicals in the naphtha which could be remaining in the dimitri due to it evaporating or would i need to re-ex it? Ive read that evaporating can cause the dimitri to effect the crystal formation which it did for me.
OR can i just use the powdery dimitri to make changa? I just need advice please that it is clean enough to make changa but not made before.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Sakkadelic]

My question is if I want to turn into being more of a crystal like structure so easier to not melt threw when I use my emesh can I just heat naphtha up then add the dimitri dissolve it as it were then put into the glass dish then freeze? Ive read that ACS naphtha is alot cleaner than technical grade so there shouldnt be any additional chemicals in the naphtha which could be remaining in the dimitri due to it evaporating or would i need to re-ex it? Ive read that evaporating can cause the dimitri to effect the crystal formation which it did for me.

Well what you described is pretty much a re-x. Dissolve the powdery dmt in a minimal amount of warm NPS and then freeze precip it. If your NPS evaps clean then there shouldn't be any problems. And yes evaping often leaves goo but you're fortunate you got powder, both are fine but xtals/powder is easier to deal with.

OR can i just use the powdery dimitri to make changa? I just need advice please that it is clean enough to make changa but not made before.

Yes if you're planning on making changa then no need to put effort into a re-x. If your dmt looks clean with no unusual colors and you are confident you didn't get any of the base soup with the NPS then you're good to go. But if it makes you feel better, do a re-x

 

[Davski]

Well what you described is pretty much a re-x. Dissolve the powdery dmt in a minimal amount of warm NPS and then freeze precip it. If your NPS evaps clean then there shouldn't be any problems. And yes evaping often leaves goo but you're fortunate you got powder, both are fine but xtals/powder is easier to deal with.


Yes if you're planning on making changa then no need to put effort into a re-x. If your dmt looks clean with no unusual colors and you are confident you didn't get any of the base soup with the NPS then you're good to go. But if it makes you feel better, do a re-x

Thanks for your reply, when I did the evap test of the NPS it left no trace. I try to be super careful when doing the water washes and always leave some Nps/ dimitri so I dont accidently suck up any distilled water or trace amounts of base. I am hoping my water washes were sufficient. Ive always ordered online for the last few years and you never know how clean it is or the steps the vendor did to make sure no nasties left in so took the dive into extracting.
Is there a way to make sure there is no base pulled up in the water washes? The crystal bit of my first three pulls was super white with a few yellow tints in it but nothing brown and the powder one was more a light yellow look. As mentioned I always leave some dimitri/nps sitting on the top of each wash and use separate pippettes for each water wash and then dropping into the glass dish to try and avoid any contamination of soup etc along the way.
Thanks again!

 

[Sakkadelic]

You're most welcome Davski!
You did right taking your safety into your own hands, and it does sound like you're being attentive and doing things carefully and took good steps to minimize the chances of base contamination so I personally wouldn't worry much about it.

 

[Davski]

Wicked thanks sakkadelic means alot, I'm looking into changa on here at the mo but it looks abit more complicated than I thought. It's the extraction of harmalas which I'm coming across which is the part that looks abit more in depth.
I assumed after reading something on reddit a few days ago I could ground syrian rue seeds then put that with the dimitri and some leaf then soak and evap in IPA.....assumptions never very helpful. Tad more complex than I thought haha....

 

[Sakkadelic]

If you've done a dmt extraction then harmala extraction will be easy and enjoyable and you'll be so happy to have clean harmala freebase for changa and other uses.

The most imporant tip for a smooth rue extraction is DON'T grind the seeds!

This recent tek neatly presents one of the easiest routes for clean harmalas imo. Check it out and I'd be happy to clarify if you've still got any questions.

 

[Davski]

If you've done a dmt extraction then harmala extraction will be easy and enjoyable and you'll be so happy to have clean harmala freebase for changa and other uses.

The most imporant tip for a smooth rue extraction is DON'T grind the seeds!

This recent tek neatly presents one of the easiest routes for clean harmalas imo. Check it out and I'd be happy to clarify if you've still got any questions.

Hahaha don't grind the seeds noted, that's exactly what I thought I had to do so thanks for telling me, appreciated!

If you could send me a link for harmalas extraction that would be really appreciated too thanks, the link you put didn't take me to a harmalas extraction.

I saw a post on nexus about 10X enriched leaf using caapi leaf so ordered some leafs earlier which looks nice and easy and I get the harmalas with less effort, what do you think of method?

 

[Sakkadelic]

Ah sorry somehow the links got mixed up I corrected it

Rue to separated freebases with less fuss.

Here I've combined elements from very conveniently simplified approaches by Sakkadelic and Brennendes Wasser into one method. I've reworked a couple of details, removed some unnecessary steps and added quick and easy salt and optional separation stages. In my opinion this is an easy, quick way...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

Yes, you can do caapi leaf 10x but I believe it would be on the low harmala changa side, I never used it.
If you endup liking harmalas and want to work more with it I highly recommend doing an extraction, it's easy compared to dmt extractions and the only solvent is water.

 

[Davski]

Ah sorry somehow the links got mixed up I corrected it

Rue to separated freebases with less fuss.

Here I've combined elements from very conveniently simplified approaches by Sakkadelic and Brennendes Wasser into one method. I've reworked a couple of details, removed some unnecessary steps and added quick and easy salt and optional separation stages. In my opinion this is an easy, quick way...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

Yes, you can do caapi leaf 10x but I believe it would be on the low harmala changa side, I never used it.
If you endup liking harmalas and want to work more with it I highly recommend doing an extraction, it's easy compared to dmt extractions and the only solvent is water.

Wicked thanks I really appreciate your input and guidance. I think i will give the caapi leaf a go first go just because I haven't got any syrian rue seeds.
But I am tempted now to do the crude freebase extraction with the syrian rue seeds as the caapi may have low harmala.
Can I just do the crude freebase extraction and have the harmala powder without having to do any of the further steps of manske and then the step of Separation of harmine and harmaline Freebase?

 

[Sakkadelic]

Yes you can do the crude freebase steps and it would be usable as is. But I would recommend doing the first 2 steps of the manske in the link as well. So dissolving in acidic water and filetring. Then base again, water washes, then dry and collect freebase.

 

[Davski]

Yes you can do the crude freebase steps and it would be usable as is. But I would recommend doing the first 2 steps of the manske in the link as well. So dissolving in acidic water and filetring. Then base again, water washes, then dry and collect freebase.

Nice one thanks alot, it looks easier now and the more I read it the more it helps, never been a fast learner so the advice and guidance helps alot.
You have helped a great deal.