Advice please on dosing of harmala freebase and Dmt

[Davski]

I've done some reading on harmala freebase and dimitri and trying to workout dosing and struggling to find much information.

What I have read is that I could sublingual 30mg harmala freebase 60 minutes before using my emesh, I don't have a juice I just put the crystal on the mesh. I usually do 25mg of dimitri and that is enough for me to lose my ego and go to hyperspace, I would like to go higher but that preflight anxiety gets me.

What is the recommended amount for a first timer using harmala freebase and dimitri?

Some say it makes the dimitri journey more potent but others don't but they all say it extends the journey slighty longer, any advice on this please?

Any general advice regarding harmala freebase and dimitri would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[yatyas314]

Smoke it in your rig, just get a few hits in you and you will kmow when enough is enough. the vape is thicker and smoother. I think you will like it.

 

[TransistorBass]

If it's any help I am occasionally making a tea with 500mg ground Syrian Rue seeds about an hour or so before a NN session to subtly extend the duration.

 

[Davski]

Smoke it in your rig, just get a few hits in you and you will kmow when enough is enough. the vape is thicker and smoother. I think you will like it.

Could well do that thanks, I could just press it a few times rather than hold down to clear all in one go and see how I get on, what I have read is that it's slower to kick in when using an Maoi aka harmalas, less rocket ship

 

[Davski]

If it's any help I am occasionally making a tea with 500mg ground Syrian Rue seeds about an hour or so before a NN session to subtly extend the duration.

Nice, do you find you need less dmt when using harmalas? Thanks

 

[TransistorBass]

I'm still experimenting and learning, I'll hopefully have time to make another visit next weekend when I plan to have some Syrian Rue before my vaped DMT.

 

[pantostao]

You can use the harmala freebase in your e-mesh. Use a small dose, because vaporized harmalas (same as sub-lingual, so it seems) are WAY more powerful than oral. A few milligrams are enough to deeply potenciate the DMT experience. Somewhere around the 5 to 25mg range its enough.

Harmalas will leave some residue (ash?) on your e-mesh, they will not vaporize cleanly like DMT. But it definitely works.

If you're using this ROA, there is no need to wait for an hour. The harmalas will kick pretty fast, in just a few seconds or minutes.

I prefer to use oral harmalas, then wait and vape DMT. But you can do it this way, for sure. I've tried sub-lingual harmalas once, but I don't have enough experience to comment on that.

 

[Davski]

I'm still experimenting and learning, I'll hopefully have time to make another visit next weekend when I plan to have some Syrian Rue before my vaped DMT.

Niiiiiiìce, do you usually do the same amount of dmt when using harmalas?
I've read that it make the come up slower that the normal rocket ship blast off, did you find that is the case?

 

[Davski]

You can use the harmala freebase in your e-mesh. Use a small dose, because vaporized harmalas (same as sub-lingual, so it seems) are WAY more powerful than oral. A few milligrams are enough to deeply potenciate the DMT experience. Somewhere around the 5 to 25mg range its enough.

Harmalas will leave some residue (ash?) on your e-mesh, they will not vaporize cleanly like DMT. But it definitely works.

If you're using this ROA, there is no need to wait for an hour. The harmalas will kick pretty fast, in just a few seconds or minutes.

I prefer to use oral harmalas, then wait and vape DMT. But you can do it this way, for sure. I've tried sub-lingual harmalas once, but I don't have enough experience to comment on that.

Thanks for this, I may give it a go on my emesh then follow on with some dimitri. I haven't blasted off since November when I was shrooming, for some reason the preflight anxiety has kicked in and I haven't been motivated to blasted off without being on shrooms etc.
I am hoping the harmalas will remove some anxiety so I get back into the swing.

 

[TransistorBass]

Niiiiiiìce, do you usually do the same amount of dmt when using harmalas?
I've read that it make the come up slower that the normal rocket ship blast off, did you find that is the case?

Here's my experiments so far, planning to try go deeper on my next session. - My Syrian Rue Tea & Vaped DMT Sessions So far its all been about starting low and going slow but I'm pretty comfortable at these levels so time to get a little deeper with a little more DMT.

 

[Ernestine]

I don't use freebase harmala, just the raw seeds. I think 60 minutes is probably more than you need to wait when dosing sublingually and not optimal. The half-life is two hours, so ~30% has been metabolised by 60 minutes.

I get good potentiation after five minutes, possibly less I would expect with freebase?.

It is preventing the most rapid enzymatic breakdown, extending the experience, and for some reason I also find it makes the onset of effects feel smoother too.

 

[yatyas314]

Could well do that thanks, I could just press it a few times rather than hold down to clear all in one go and see how I get on, what I have read is that it's slower to kick in when using an Maoi aka harmalas, less rocket ship

Apologies for the short response, I dedicated an atomizer to harmaline. So when I want some I just screw the harmaline atomizer in and get a few hits, then I generally wait a good 10 minutes just to really see where it took me. then I just screw the DMT atomizer in and use as needed. As mentioned in some posts above it does feel like it is a slower come up but with that being said I generally toke slower and smaller when maoi is onboard regardless of ROA. I personally have never done tea or orally just sublingual and smoked I also have never done two modalities of MAOI at the same time. Good luck and safe travels.
Y

 

[Davski]

Here's my experiments so far, planning to try go deeper on my next session. - My Syrian Rue Tea & Vaped DMT Sessions So far its all been about starting low and going slow but I'm pretty comfortable at these levels so time to get a little deeper with a little more DMT.

Nice i will give it a read.

 

[Davski]

I don't use freebase harmala, just the raw seeds. I think 60 minutes is probably more than you need to wait when dosing sublingually and not optimal. The half-life is two hours, so ~30% has been metabolised by 60 minutes.

I get good potentiation after five minutes, possibly less I would expect with freebase?.

It is preventing the most rapid enzymatic breakdown, extending the experience, and for some reason I also find it makes the onset of effects feel smoother too.

Making the onset smoother sounds good to me, I have read that but it always helps to hear again build my confidence nack up, the timline regarding harmalas freebase is also appreciated.

 

[Davski]

Apologies for the short response, I dedicated an atomizer to harmaline. So when I want some I just screw the harmaline atomizer in and get a few hits, then I generally wait a good 10 minutes just to really see where it took me. then I just screw the DMT atomizer in and use as needed. As mentioned in some posts above it does feel like it is a slower come up but with that being said I generally toke slower and smaller when maoi is onboard regardless of ROA. I personally have never done tea or orally just sublingual and smoked I also have never done two modalities of MAOI at the same time. Good luck and safe travels.
Y

That's a good idea, I have a spare emesh so can load up harmala FB on that one and keep them separate.
Will be interesting to see if I prefer vaping harmala or harmala the sublingual way.
The slower come up sounds good too me, will have to start experimenting with the two methods.

 

[yatyas314]

That's a good idea, I have a spare emesh so can load up harmala FB on that one and keep them separate.
Will be interesting to see if I prefer vaping harmala or harmala the sublingual way.
The slower come up sounds good too me, will have to start experimenting with the two methods.

If it helps I generally use the sublingual when sleeping is not a priority and vaping freebase when sleep is priority.
Y

 

[Sakkadelic]

Vaping/smoalking harmala freebase is great in my experience, it's more effective than sublingual. Try it on it own first, it's nice. 25 mg is plenty, the larger oral doses are because a significant portion of the harmalas is spent blocking the MAO in the gut.

 

[Davski]

Vaping/smoalking harmala freebase is great in my experience, it's more effective than sublingual. Try it on it own first, it's nice. 25 mg is plenty, the larger oral doses are because a significant portion of the harmalas is spent blocking the MAO in the gut.

It looks like vaping on my emesh will be the best plan, thanks!