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[cronick91]

Hey guys currently working with acrb and struggling with the crystallisation process in the freezer you can see in the solution there seems to be dmt present but not sure if im doing the freezing procedure correct help please any advice would be highly appreciated ps this is my very first extraction process

 

[Transform]

Hey guys currently working with acrb and struggling with the crystallisation process in the freezer you can see in the solution there seems to be dmt present but not sure if im doing the freezing procedure correct help please any advice would be highly appreciated ps this is my very first extraction process

Hello and welcome.

ACRB has a strong track record of producing goo. If nothing's crashing out, try a liquid/liquid mini A/B - pull from the (presumably) naphtha into some diluted vinegar, add base to the vinegar extract and pull again but with a smaller amount of naphtha.

This is just one possible approach, of course. It may be helpful if you could give us some more precise and exact details of how you've carried out the extraction so far, just in case there's something else that requires troubleshooting. Some components of some solvents can inhibit or prevent freeze precipitation ("crystallisation"), for example.

 

[cronick91]

Hello and welcome.

ACRB has a strong track record of producing goo. If nothing's crashing out, try a liquid/liquid mini A/B - pull from the (presumably) naphtha into some diluted vinegar, add base to the vinegar extract and pull again but with a smaller amount of naphtha.

This is just one possible approach, of course. It may be helpful if you could give us some more precise and exact details of how you've carried out the extraction so far, just in case there's something else that requires troubleshooting. Some components of some solvents can inhibit or prevent freeze precipitation ("crystallisation"), for example.

Ok thank you sorry my bad. let me take it from the top
I started with 200g of ground acrb simmered for 2.5hrs in 2l of distilled water and 200ml of distilled white vinegar strained into a 2l glass flask then repeated the cook with the acrb I ended up with around 1.3l of soloution so I reduced to 1l then returned to the flask i added 120g of hydrogen peroxide to 200ml distilled water then added to the flask now the soloution turned from a deep red colour into a dark deep purple. I then added 500ml of naphtha/ lighter fluid let cool then gave it a good shake. When it settled i could see tiny air bubbles floating up threw the solvent thus turning the colour to yellow. I then very carefully sucked up the solvent and transfered into a glass freezer proof dish and covered with a lid then placed into the freezer over night roughly 14hr freeze. I get a few what look like crystals forming but then when I drain my solvent out of the dish what ever is stuck onto the bottom of glass dish seems to re dissolve it's frustrating because my solvent looks loaded with salt deposits and if I could just get these crystals to form correctly I think I may have a substantial yield

 

[Transform]

i added 120g of hydrogen peroxide to 200ml distilled water then added to the flask now the soloution turned from a deep red colour into a dark deep purple.

So you've done what amounts to ; classic A/B with freeze precip., then.

I sincerely hope you mis-typed and meant to write "sodium hydroxide" instead of "hydrogen peroxide", which may be the case considering the observed colour changes. Perhaps you've got some hydroponics going on there as well, eh?

Do you have any more information about the type of naphtha that you used? Something like a SDS (safety data sheet) or even the descriptions and idettification numbers from the label would help a lot.

Your simplest be, would be to allow everything to warm up, then let some of the naphtha evaporate in a well-ventilated area. This is wasteful and polluting, however, hence my suggestion to make a more concentrated naphtha solution by using a mini A/B cycle.

Obviously, you'd then stick it back in the freezer after either process, although a pre-chill in the fridge may help larger crystals to form, which will be easier to recover.

 

[cronick91]

So you've done what amounts to ; classic A/B with freeze precip., then.

I sincerely hope you mis-typed and meant to write "sodium hydroxide" instead of "hydrogen peroxide", which may be the case considering the observed colour changes. Perhaps you've got some hydroponics going on there as well, eh?

Do you have any more information about the type of naphtha that you used? Something like a SDS (safety data sheet) or even the descriptions and idettification numbers from the label would help a lot.

Your simplest be, would be to allow everything to warm up, then let some of the naphtha evaporate in a well-ventilated area. This is wasteful and polluting, however, hence my suggestion to make a more concentrated naphtha solution by using a mini A/B cycle.

Obviously, you'd then stick it back in the freezer after either process, although a pre-chill in the fridge may help larger crystals to form, which will be easier to recover.

Yes sodium hydroxide was used lmao

 

[Transform]

Yes sodium hydroxide was used lmao

Phew! had me sweating there for a moment.

 

[cronick91]

I'm trying to upload the video

 

[cronick91]

I will not let me upload ill try let some of the solvent evaporate

 

[Transform]

I'm trying to upload the video

The "Attach files" button directly below the edit window should take care of it unless it's an incompatible format. We can see the photo OK.

 

[cronick91]

I really think im on the verge of cracking this problem

 

[cronick91]

What should be my next step do I leave in the freezer over night or reduce my solvent, chill in the fridge overnight before re freezing

 

[Transform]

That milkiness most likely will clear up with a fridge rest followed by slow cooling in the freezer. Insulate the container somehow (towel, styrofoam) to decrease the rate of cooling and you should get something to settle out.

ACRB does rather present some quirks of its own, in part due to the varying amounts of NMT it can contain.

One more thing, though - did you cover the dish while it was in the freezer? The stuff around the edge looks like ice from condensation, and at least some of the milkiness could possibly be ice crystals as well.

If your accent's anything to go by, you probably live in a fairly humid environment The time spent filming has increased the condensation on your container, so I'd suggest covering it up with cling film or any suitable lid it may have and just leaving it alone in the freezer for a couple of days.

If you're lucky, the milkiness should resolve into some kind of precipitate in that time. If you're unwilling to wait, I'd reiterate the mini A/B as a potential way of sorting it out. In the meantime, lightly scratching the base of the empty precipitation dish with a fork will help to wrovide some nucleation points for crystallisation in the next attempt.

 

[cronick91]

That milkiness most likely will clear up with a fridge rest followed by slow cooling in the freezer. Insulate the container somehow (towel, styrofoam) to decrease the rate of cooling and you should get something to settle out.

ACRB does rather present some quirks of its own, in part due to the varying amounts of NMT it can contain.

One more thing, though - did you cover the dish while it was in the freezer? The stuff around the edge looks like ice from condensation, and at least some of the milkiness could possibly be ice crystals as well.

If your accent's anything to go by, you probably live in a fairly humid environment The time spent filming has increased the condensation on your container, so I'd suggest covering it up with cling film or any suitable lid it may have and just leaving it alone in the freezer for a couple of days.

If you're lucky, the milkiness should resolve into some kind of precipitate in that time. If you're unwilling to wait, I'd reiterate the mini A/B as a potential way of sorting it out. In the meantime, lightly scratching the base of the empty precipitation dish with a fork will help to wrovide some nucleation points for crystallisation in the next attempt.

Thank you your an absolute legend and I really appreciate the time you've took to help with my experiment

 

[Love2all]

I really think im on the verge of cracking this problem

Hello friend, can you tell me what solvent you are using to extract as I’m having problems at my end also. Thanks in advance

 

[cronick91]

Hello friend, can you tell me what solvent you are using to extract as I’m having problems at my end also. Thanks in advance

Hi yes certainly im using lighter fluid that contains naphtha

 

[Love2all]

Hi yes certainly im using lighter fluid that contains naphtha

Can which brand is that buddy? And thanks for replying

 

[cronick91]

Swan lighter fluid contains naphtha

 

[Love2all]

Thankyou Cronick91! So so you mind if I ask-are you achieving nice white crystals? I’ll try and attach what I’m achieving and you should see how yellow they are, which really does not agree with me. My instinct is there is solvent trapped and/or sodium hydroxide which made me sick as a parrot when I tried the end product.

 

[cronick91]

Ive not even got that far as of yet struggling ti get the salts to christalize

 

[blig-blug]

I’ll try and attach what I’m achieving and you should see how yellow they are, which really does not agree with me

It looks perfectly fine, pure DMT can be and often is yellow. Solvent leftovers won't make it yellow, and trapped base soup would make it purplish, dark reddish or brownish.