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Advice to anyone who experiences depression

CosmicRiver

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Hi. This thread stems from this post.
I'll start with what's helping me and I hope can help other people as well. I know depression is different for different people, and maybe my advice isn't for everyone, or feels very commonplace. Anyway here it is.

Reaching the root of your depression
Whenever you feel depressed (for example if you wake up and you feel like someone is punching you in your stomach, or feel empty, or like a part of you died), instead of fighting the feeling, try to let the feeling pass through you.
[I know we're talking about uncomfortable feelings so it will never be a pleasant experience, but if it makes you feel too bad or gives you strong anxiety and you can't bear it stop, and do it only when you feel more comfortable, or when you are with loved ones or a therapist.]

Let the emotions flow, and focus on how you feel: lonely? misunderstood? or something else. Probably it won't be clear at first, but time after time you should be able to identify the feeling, to identify what you're missing or what you feel like you're missing.
Maybe you will realize that you're feeling exactly like you felt in a past situation. If that's the case, try to recall what was bothering you then and if it could be the same thing that is bothering you now.
Another useful thing to do is focusing on what or who you would need to feel better. So you can find out what you miss.

Sometimes maybe you know what you miss but you think that it's a thing of the past and isn't bothering you anymore. That there must be something else. But that's not always the case. If for example when you were a child you often felt rejected by other people, and now you're full of friends, you could still be feeling lonely. Because what happens to us as children or teens has an impact on our self-image and our thought patterns.
 
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Self-image and thought patterns
I didn't believe it at first, but was told this by a therapist and knowing this is IMO one of the keys to heal: "emotions always come from thoughts". If you're feeling depressed, there is some thought pattern in your subsconscious mind that is causing that emotion. Knowing this changed everything for me, because until that moment I thought that depression for me was just a baseline state, and there was no real reason. That maybe events of the past caused this situation and now I was left with it.
The key point for me here is that depression has a cause. Maybe I will say something controversial but nowadays depression is often seen only as a neurochemical problem, while there is little attention towards the thought patterns that feed it. At least this is the situation in my country, I don't know in yours.

The things we experience as newborns, children and teens shape our self-image and thought patterns and so the past keeps affecting the present. This is obvious maybe but the key is to find out how it applies for yourself. In this stage working with a therapist is very useful, but since it's expensive and sometimes it's hard to find the one that's right for us, it's not always an option.
In my opinion this is the second thing to know about depression along with the core feeling. For example, if the core feeling of depression is loneliness, you should find out or probably already know what made you feel lonely in the past. For example being rejected by other children or by parents or caregivers, or even feeling rejected even if it wasn't their intention to do so.
I know this isn't easy and that's why in some instances a therapist is needed.

If someone is continuously rejected as a child, they will learn that they are not worthy of love, and if they grow into depressed adults it means that their mind is continuously telling them "you are not worthy of love". Because that's how their self-image developed. We form our self-image according to our early experiences with others.

Once you know this, depression starts losing its grip on you (at least IME). Because for example, if you keep waking up and feeling empty and lost and lonely, and you know that it's because you have this perception of yourself as unlovable, you know what your depression is and it no longer feels like a curse without a reason to be.
Now the next step is to fight that thought pattern, for example substituting "I'm unlovable" with "I am loved".
 
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Seeing and changing thought patterns
This is the last step and I'm still in the process. Maybe it's wrong to assume that my experience will be the same as yours (I don't see why it shouldn't be the case though). I keep saying "you" because I'm trying to give advice, I don't want to come off as pretentious or teaching anyone anything.

I don't want to give false hopes but this is the step in which I started to feel like myself again after years of depression.
The bad thing here is that maybe after a night in which you feel like you've been reborn you will wake up feeling depressed again and it will hurt, but if that happens you have to remember that it's temporary. Your thought patterns have taken years to form and have stayed for years so it's normal for them to come back, but if you keep fighting them eventually they will go away (maybe forever but I still haven't reached that point).

So the first thing is to accept that you have those thought patterns. Since (as the therapist told me) when we're little the world is self-centered we believe that the way people behave with us depends on us. For example if people reject us we believe it's our fault. Or if our parents get through a separation we believe it's our fault. Now that you're adult maybe you think "obviously that wasn't my fault", but if you look deeper you'll probably find out that deep down you still think and feel like it was your fault. This IMO is very important because until you consciously think "it wasn't upon me" but subconsciously you don't believe it, that thought won't change.
I know maybe these are specific examples but you can apply them to your own situation, and I think that guilt and shame are among the most prevalent emotions but there could be also other ones together or in place of them.

The next step is to convince your subconscious mind that those thoughts you have about yourself are not true. This can be done by repeatedly having experiences that prove the opposite about yourself. This is difficult because the thoughts we have about ourselves condition our actions and the way we see and interpret situations, so it's like everything we do now, in the present, confirms what we learnt about ourselves in the past. Like a dog chasing its tail.

For example, if a child is rejected or mocked by other children or by their parents, they will grow up thinking that no one loves or likes them because they are unlovable or unlikable.
The only way to convince themselves that people love them and like them would be to open up to people, letting people know them and show them love. But they won't be able to do it because that person won't open up to people because they fear rejection, or they will even push away people as a defence mechanism to avoid being rejected by them.
At the same time, if they manage to open up to people they will be hyperaware of every slight hint of rejection by othe people. For example if someone doesn't laugh to one of their jokes or doesn't answer to one of their texts or phone calls, for whatever reason, that person will think that they are being rejected, even if maybe the other person didn't laugh because they were sad, didn't answer because they were busy, etc.

So the thing to do is to try to be mindful about these thoughts when they arise, and to realize that they don't reflect reality but a skewed perception of reality. Even if I know it's not easy. This applies even to emotions: maybe we feel sad and don't know why, but if we are mindful of our thoughts we can see which thought is causing that sadness. And probably it will be one of those negative thoughts about the core feeling of our depression (abandonement, rejection, loneliness, etc.)

A useful thing to do to fight those thought patterns (and therefore emotions) is to recall every time other people proved us that we are worthy, lovable, etc. and to do it as often as possible to slowly change the image we have of ourselves.
So we can change our behavior and stop acting out of fear, and let the outer world confirm that we are worthy of love, able to do face challenges, etc.

In this way we can break the negative cycle.
I would like to add more to this but I'm still doing this myself.
 
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Enter into relationships, and watch your dance evolve

Humans, Animals, Nature, This moment. A relationship is with someone that is complex and responsive to you :), and also exists across time, and is very real. From the moment we are born, we are in touch, and this continues to evolve from there. When we are depressed, we are, even in the depths, looking for someone that is responsive to our existence, and not a blank face. Someone that reflects our sensibility back to us, someone we can talk with and share ourselves with on this adventure. People, Animals, Nature, the present moment, all are very responsive to us. They are relationships which last across all our senses, across time, and continue to manifest into beauty with each moment of focus. That is the law of focus, that what is focused on, manifests in detail, subtlety, and beauty. So do our relationships always manifest in this manner. It is easier for the depressed person to come to their senses when they are in relationship with things which change when you change. For instance, when you feel sad suddenly, you have changed, and maybe your friend will notice that and change how they are. Or same with your friend, if they feel sad, and you notice it and change your tone of voice, and they brighten up, then that is a beautiful dance between you two. It's a relationship. Meditators develop relationships with their own minds, by spending a lot of time with them. Psychonauts develop relationships with reality in all sorts of different ways. And all these relationships manifest and continue to manifest. With every moment of focus, our dance becomes more and more beautiful. We are coming to our senses.

You are an animal, spend time with other animals, spend time with nature, spend time with psychedelics if you like xD,
technologies such as books, art, movies, social media, don't really change that much in response to you. Texting a friend is much less sensual than being with them, as is reading a dead person's words. If you are depressed, you probably would like to be in intimate touch, somehow. Get in touch, with life, and the universe.

That is my advice for those suffering depression, who are in a position to receive this message. Many others are deeply involved with depression, and for those of us who have been through the worst of it, we are called to travel the distance and meet people where they are at.

🙏
 
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Thank you so much for sharing this. I plan on responding more in depth soon.

The first link isn't working just so you know.

May I add your post link to my thread?


One love
 
Thank you so much for sharing this. I plan on responding more in depth soon.

The first link isn't working just so you know.

May I add your post link to my thread?


One love
yes of course! it started from there but the link didn't work as you said. i thought it was just my phone's fault. it should work now
 
I wanted to write something regarding this topic. I felt like if I did I would lay out my whole life for all to see and it would become war story of sorts. Perhaps I will be able to share more in depth at some point.

I am blown away by the openness and vulnerability by people who have shared their experiences on this thread and the other mentioned. My heart goes out to anyone who suffers, truly, truly.

Long story short and what helped me. I started telling myself another story about my life. It became as simple as that in the end. I accept what happened to me in my life. I see the story I tell myself and it was a very sad on for a very long time. I made the decision to empower myself by changing the script. I now tell myself positive things as much as I can. I concentrate on what I am grateful for in my life as much as I can. Sure I get sad and life fricking sucks sometimes.. but my depression has lifted slowly. I no longer lay in bed for hours and hours wishing to be dead. I get up and tell myself it's going to be ok. I look at how strong I am surviving such trauma in my life, especially at such a young age. I am in charge of my life. I do not let negative people into my life any longer in going so far as to go no-contact with some, even some family. I will not allow myself or anyone else dictate my story, my script of life. This is my life and I will tell this story as I see fit.

I want on my deathbed to be proud of the life I have lived. I imagine laying dying in bed and smiling and being grateful for the life I had. I start there and work backward. What things do I need to do enable to create the end that I wish to see. It starts with change. Change of quality of thought is most important. Being kind is important to me. I am trying to be more social now, I have always be painfully socially awkward and it had become such a HUGE burden and trigger for me. If I thought someone disliked me I would just fall out of the boat and it would reinforce all the negative things I already thought about myself. I care what people think still.. I want to be loved and liked.. who doesn't?! I just figured out that I need to love myself most and first. I need to give myself credit... much more credit than I ever did before. I survived much and I am strong. Man oh man... there are so many good qualities that just needed to be seen... by ME.. I needed to see it. I couldn't for a long time because of the story I was telling myself.

I am a wonderful loving father! I am loyal to a fault at times and that is a good quality. I am kind and compassionate, especially when it is needed the most by others. I work hard. I am tough. I am learning to forgive. I am intelligent, not a rocket scientist, but pretty smart fellow. These are other thoughts like this fill in my mind now rarely than the self-loathing I experienced for such a very long time.

Anyone who is struggling and needs an ear can certainly PM this guy here. Just be prepared for my social awkwardness and we should be good. I accept people as they are. I don't judge people anymore. My compassion and wanting to be kind is very important to me. I am not always the best listener but I am a good understander. I know that is not a real word but it feels right to say it that way.

I sincerely hope anyone out there that is suffering finds peace! This place has been very important to me for a very long time and I just wanted to try and help if I can. It is weird how much I feel like this is like a home or a place a refuge. I feel good when I come in here. I hope you can find that too reading these words and knowing that at least one person in this world is really routing for you. I route for every single member of this community.
 
@Tripolation thank you for your great advice. There are so many things i'd like to say but I would just repeat what you said with different words. It is easier to hold a negative self-image than a positive self-image, but it's not fair to ourselves and doesn't reflect the reality of things. I'm sure your words will reach many people

This place has been very important to me for a very long time and I just wanted to try and help if I can. It is weird how much I feel like this is like a home or a place a refuge. I feel good when I come in here. I hope you can find that too reading these words and knowing that at least one person in this world is really routing for you. I route for every single member of this community.
This is a special place. I was thinking about it the other day when I read a profile post by CommonConduit. I have never found a place with so many empathic and nonjudgmental people. This is rare both in everyday life and on the internet. It's really beautiful to see how this place was born to talk about DMT (i suppose) and now we're giving each other advice, helping each other, exposing ourselves. Sometimes i overshare and feel bad about it later, but here that doesn't happen
 
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