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Depression, DMT "flashback" and what to learn from it

CosmicRiver

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Hi everyone

I've been dealing with depression for as long as I can remember. Obviously when I was a child I wasn't always depressed but it was still mildly present in some periods of the year. Anyway lately I finally found out the root of my depression which is me being autistic with all the things that come with it (feeling like I don't belong anywhere, fear of change, fear of losing safe people and safe places, ...).

In the past I used drugs to self-medicate and luckily in that journey I found psychedelics including DMT which helped me to know myself more and showed me another me and another life are possible, but I have always struggled to experience that in everyday life.

Yesterday evening (it's morning now where I live), I was walking through a park in my home village. It's a small park, don't picture the big city parks with a lot of people, and there's a river flowing through it. I was walking to the side of the river looking at the trees and I had what I can describe only as a "flashback" of a DMT experience. Of my second-to-last experience in particular.
In December 2018 I had to stop smoking DMT and soon after to stop taking drugs in general because I was smoking way to much and reality started to feel very fragile, like a thin veil.

Anyway in December 2018 I smoked DMT + weed in that park, it was a sub-breakthrough experience in which my surroundings pretty much stayed the same but at the same time were completely different, alien but in a familiar way, and basically the whole park turned into an utopian futuristic city, not made of buildings but of trees and the like.
Well yesterday I had the same experience while sober and it was amazing, I felt that the whole world was changing in that moment and I was changing too.
It was a brief experience but I felt a kind of afterglow where at first I freaked out because I was sober and I'm not supposed to have that kind of experience while sober, and then I felt deeply moved. I remember thinking "I won't add any more suffering to myself and the world, not even another drop".

During the rest of the evening/night I kept feeling like that and when I saw the half moon in the sky (which now I know it's called "quarter moon") I thought that when it would have been exactly half the world would have changed for the better. I know it sounds self-centered since it was only my experience after all, but it was so strong that I thought everyone would feel it.

Then I came back to that park before going to bed and I meditated on change and my fear of change and I had a sudden realization which I wrote down as "the more you try to hold things, the more they slip away from you". I felt at peace with change knowing that if I don't hold onto things and memories I can always feel them in the present moment.

Then I went to sleep.

This morning I woke up feeling awful and I don't know why and what to do anymore. I feel kinda hopeless right now and I'm asking for advice.

<3
 
That was a bit of a plot twist, I was expecting a happy ending here.

What does feeling awful mean?
Can you make out any specific individual feelings that might make up that awfulness?
 
That was a bit of a plot twist, I was expecting a happy ending here.

What does feeling awful mean?
Can you make out any specific individual feelings that might make up that awfulness?
it was a plot twist for me too ShadedSelf...
Yes maybe I can.

One is feeling lonely even if I have people who love me, because I feel like I can't truly connect with them most of the time because I feel different. I don't even know different in what, I just feel different. I don't have any qualities that they don't have, maybe it's the other way around. And I'd just like to love and be loved. This happens with most people. Not always though. But I'd just like to connect to everyone all the time.

The other feeling is a kind of existential boredom. I'm not bored with the world, it's an amazing place (I mean not always good but not boring at all). But if I could feel that "spark" in me and the world, the one I felt with psychedelics, or MDMA the few times I took it, or sometimes weed, or even yesterday evening, it would be wonderful and I kind of miss that.

I feel like these are the two main feelings but it's hard to understand why I feel bad.
 
Right, so there is this feeling of loneliness and disconnection maybe from being different in some way and a bit of a yearning for that love.
Does it feel like its your fault?

Does the "spark" also relate to some sort of connection?

Maybe Im not understanding but in terms of why you feel bad it sounds pretty syntonic to me, you seem to be missing something important, and thats got to hurt.
I would kinda feel like Im missing the point of my existance a little bit, and that sounds kinda sad.
Does that make any sense?
 
Does it feel like its your fault?
Not really, I know it's not my fault but I feel somewhat "wrong" being like this.

Does the "spark" also relate to some sort of connection?
I don't know, that's what I want to understand, but it would make sense if the two were related.

Maybe Im not understanding but in terms of why you feel bad it sounds pretty syntonic to me, you seem to be missing something important, and thats got to hurt.
I would kinda feel like Im missing the point of my existance a little bit, and that sounds kinda sad.
Does that make any sense?
Yes it makes sense.
What I don't know is why in some moments I feel great, like yesterday night for example, and then I wake up feeling like this. Or maybe I'm with people and I'm having fun and suddenly I start feeling disconnected and sad. So in a sense I know the things that make feel bad but I don't know why I feel those things in the first place.
 
I'm not sure I can offer any advice, but I certainly can relate.
I have had trouble with depression, and I did a 5g mushroom journey a few months ago. It has given me a perspective on my life, and myself, that I am really struggling to deal with. It all links into my relationship with my mum, who died just over three years ago, and I really can't see a way I can move past it. This, on top of my feelings about the state of the world and the horrendous nature of Mankind's stewardship of the planet, and I have been in a pretty dark place of late. I feel your pain, brother.
All I know is, I would be taking the blue pill all day long, given the opportunity. Give me ignorance if it means not having to live in this brain I have cultivated.
 
and I really can't see a way I can move past it.
I'm really sorry for what you've been through. I hope your psychedelic experience has given you some new perspective on death, even if I know that not having a person here physically hurts anyway...
edit: what do you mean when you say you're struggling to deal with the perspective it gave you?
This, on top of my feelings about the state of the world and the horrendous nature of Mankind's stewardship of the planet
This is true for me as well. I always hope for a change in the mentality of people. Every time I clean up a place I hope not to see any more littered trash and most of the time I'm just delusional but who knows, I really hope so. I've seen an improvement lately though.
All I know is, I would be taking the blue pill all day long, given the opportunity. Give me ignorance if it means not having to live in this brain I have cultivated.
I think that sooner or later we all have to face these things. Maybe it's better to do it early, if we manage to come out of this.
 
I'm really sorry for what you've been through. I hope your psychedelic experience has given you some new perspective on death, even if I know that not having a person here physically hurts anyway...
edit: what do you mean when you say you're struggling to deal with the perspective it gave you?

This is true for me as well. I always hope for a change in the mentality of people. Every time I clean up a place I hope not to see any more littered trash and most of the time I'm just delusional but who knows, I really hope so. I've seen an improvement lately though.

I think that sooner or later we all have to face these things. Maybe it's better to do it early, if we manage to come out of this.
It has made me see things that I didn't think were true, were, and vice versa.
Frankly, I would be happy to push these realisations to the next incarnation...
 
I can relate. Only in the sense of your current state, not necessarily the flashback experience you had.

I don't know what to say because there's a lot that I could say.

One thing that stands out is what you were speaking on about holding on. I've found that there is a balance to holding on. Are we holding on to something because we value it or because it holds us in some way? That changes the vantage and scope to which we're holding on; if I'm holding onto the ball my hand holding it can be wherever really, but if I'm holding onto a bar that holds me up or sustains me in some way, then that hold is above me, and if I let go I'll fall. What is the frame for your holding? If it's something you value, then holding on too tight can just make it squeeze through your fingers.

In an age of global communication, most are lonely, for one reason or another. Keep connecting with yourself and other connections will come. And even if they don't, through a deeper connection with yourself, you can always keep yourself company.

One love
 
It has made me see things that I didn't think were true, were, and vice versa.
On reflection, that's not quite right. It brought into clear focus patterns and behaviours that I have recognised in a very stark fashion.

I agree with Void that connection to yourself is an important anchor.
 
What is the frame for your holding?
I hold on to the places and people I feel safe with.
When one of my best friends or my family leaves (they go on vacation for example) I feel lost. Not like a normal person would feel. Emotionally I feel like they will never come back even if rationally I know they will. Same thing if I leave my hometown. The only way to avoid those feelings was taking drugs because drugs themselves became my home or my friends. Now that I stay sober I can't do that anymore.
But yesterday for example I felt (emotionally) that people were still there even if I didn't cling to them. Today I can't feel that anymore...

Keep connecting with yourself and other connections will come. And even if they don't, through a deeper connection with yourself, you can always keep yourself company.
I've never avoided to look within, I've spent a lot of time by myself, trying to know myself, through meditation and psychedelics, and especially as a child I was my own company, but honestly it's not enough until I feel disconnected from everything else. Do you mean that disconnection from the outside is disconnection from the inside? That's a good point and I've realized the same thing often, but aside from those moments like yesterday night I can't find a way to feel my own presence and feel one with the world. It's hard to describe these things through words.
 
On reflection, that's not quite right. It brought into clear focus patterns and behaviours that I have recognised in a very stark fashion.
I don't know what you're referring to but personally I find that such realizations are a great starting point to improve ourselves and how we act and then of course we have to forgive ourselves because life isn't easy, there are people who are in worse and better situations but it isn't easy either way.
 
I'm not sure I can offer any advice, but I certainly can relate.
I have had trouble with depression, and I did a 5g mushroom journey a few months ago. It has given me a perspective on my life, and myself, that I am really struggling to deal with. It all links into my relationship with my mum, who died just over three years ago, and I really can't see a way I can move past it. This, on top of my feelings about the state of the world and the horrendous nature of Mankind's stewardship of the planet, and I have been in a pretty dark place of late. I feel your pain, brother.
All I know is, I would be taking the blue pill all day long, given the opportunity. Give me ignorance if it means not having to live in this brain I have cultivated.
My thougts on that: one of the most important things is to understand that your parents are human beings like any other, and the fact that they used their own bodily fluids and their own body to bring you into the world is something totally negligible right now. This does not mean that if something bad was done to you you should absolutely forgive them, but it means treating what they did to you as any other harm received from other human beings. What makes us suffer the most if it was one of our parents who hurt us, is that in the psychology of the child, parents are gods. It is precisely this mechanism that makes the education of children possible. It is important, therefore, to get out of this conditioning and take away this title from our parents. In the same way, if our parents were "good" parents what is useful to do is to look for any individual and selfish benefits in their doing a good job. Cynicism helps in this case. (This is has to be connected to the concept that all of us humans are brothers and sisters.)

@CosmicRiver
If you really can't find any solution, and if your life allows it, make radical changes. Take on strong responsibilities. Life offers infinite possibilities, that's the beauty of it. You have to try to take courage and accept losing something in the hope of change. It's easy to say that change starts from within yourself when you live in the middle of a mountain :) the outside makes, also, the difference
 
@CosmicRiver
If you really can't find any solution, and if your life allows it, make radical changes. Take on strong responsibilities. Life offers infinite possibilities, that's the beauty of it. You have to try to take courage and accept losing something in the hope of change. It's easy to say that change starts from within yourself when you live in the middle of a mountain :) the outside makes, also, the difference
Which changes? I'm still young, I'm 25 and if I remember correctly you're italian too so you know that it's not easy to be independent here at 25 even if I'm employed. So I live my life here and I don't even enjoy travelling because of my fear of change. I wouldn't even know where to go and how to leave everyone and everything behind me.
 
Just to make sure Im understanding the issue that we seem to be focusing on, there is this sense of connection that fluctuates, comes and goes, everything feels like it is how it should be when its there and it everything falls apart when its not, then there are these feelings of sadness and feeling like there is something wrong with you I assume for not being able to connect or even for not being able to go on disconnected.

Also I get the sense that its hard for you to let go of the few things that feel safe, even if you know they will come back it doesnt really matter because they not being there is equally as challenging.
Like the sense of connection, it always comes back, but youd obviously rather have it there all the time.

Does that feel accurate to some degree?

as a child I was my own company
How come?
How was your sense of connection as a child?
 
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Does that feel accurate to some degree?
yes 100%
How come?
How was your sense of connection as a child?
I still felt disconnected from most people. So often I would stay by myself and imagine things to make it more bearable (for example pretending to be a character of my favorite cartoons/anime haha). But it got better growing up.
 
But yesterday for example I felt (emotionally) that people were still there even if I didn't cling to them. Today I can't feel that anymore...
What do you think you can do to recreate that experience?

Do you mean that disconnection from the outside is disconnection from the inside?
That is somewhat what I was leaning towards. I am also encouraging you to really be with and accept these feelings to see what follows. I'm assuming the dominant emotion you feel in these tough moments is anxiety. This is going to sounds weird, but be with it, be with it so much you've become intimate with it. When you're able to do this, such feelings no longer rule you. They start to lose energy and control of the deepest parts of yourself. This brings me to...

I can't find a way to feel my own presence
Connect with yourself before you worry about anything else. Bear in mind, everything that I'm talking about will take time. You will slip and fall. The key is to get up more times than you fall down.

One way you can connect with yourself, and this is going to sounds god awful, but trust me and try to stick it out, is to spend 20 minutes to an hour staring at a white wall. Blink as much as you like, but don't turn your head or divert your eyes from the wall. Be a still as you can, but don't make it a huge priority. There will be a lot of weird stuff that comes up, things that you may not be aware of, and without value judgment, be with it and learn from it.

One love
 
Which changes? I'm still young, I'm 25 and if I remember correctly you're italian too so you know that it's not easy to be independent here at 25 even if I'm employed. So I live my life here and I don't even enjoy travelling because of my fear of change. I wouldn't even know where to go and how to leave everyone and everything behind me.
Great memory! yes, I am Italian.
If you are afraid of change why did you start using psychedelics which are substances that change your perspective (at least at that moment) in a much more substantial way than any other activity on this planet? Maybe this fear was not present before? Or are you only afraid of change in everyday life and not of your mental perspective?

I see that you have received many questions and therefore I am sorry if you might feel a bit under investigation. I suggest you to take advantage of talking to complete strangers. Get it all out! I am sure that you have not told us very important things about yourself. :) At least for me, I need more context to help you. If you don't feel comfortable, write me privately, but I still recommend you do it in public. It's liberating.

For example:
"When one of my best friends or my family leaves (they go on vacation for example) I feel lost. Not like a normal person would feel. Emotionally I feel like they will never come back even if rationally I know they will."

Have you ever done some really deep work on yourself to understand the reasons for this? I think that reflecting on your childhood could be important. How did your parents behave with you? In your group of friends or in your class at school how were you considered? Do you remember any traumatic event that could have led you to have this feeling of abandonment/separation/solitude?
 
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What do you think you can do to recreate that experience?
sometimes with meditation I can be in that mindset, for example this morning when I read your reply I stared a blank wall as you suggested, and it was kinda like meditating, and I felt that I don't feel loved because I don't love myself in the first place, and it felt like being freed from a dark energy. And now a few hours later I still fill like this. But I know that sometimes during the day in the "real world" of everyday life probably this feeling will dissipate.
My problem is that I can't integrate this in everyday life. Maybe because I need to know myself more and keep finding out.
 
@MAGMA17 don't worry, I don't feel under investigation at all. I am really moved by the kindness of all of you that replied and helped me. I didn't come here to steal your time asking for a free therapy session, I'm already seeing a therapist but honestly it's not the same as talking to people who honestly care about me. I know we don't even know each other in person but just by being on this forum I think we share a lot of things. I really appreciate your time and help <3

anyway I'll soon answer to your questions but now I have to leave for a few hours because I have to work
 
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