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DivineDreamer

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Alcohol is poison, coming from somebody who use to be an alcoholic
Its is poison to the spirit

i dont believe in alcohol.

Please stay away from it everybody.
 
I believe in alcohol; I have seen it with my own eyes. The evidence for its existence is frankly overwhelming. (Yes, I know what you're saying, I just couldn't resist :lol:)

But I agree, immoderate use of it does not in general lead to good paths. I know it has been used by shamans to access a "spirit world"; I know it has been used as a means to a religious experience (á la William James). But as an ally it is dangerous and duplicitous, and I wholeheartedly endorse sticking to safer and more consistently entheogenic pastures.

That said, I enjoy a good microbrew (IPAs and stouts mostly) and often have a beer with dinner a few nights a week. I just tend to avoid drunkenness.
 
Alcohol is poison, coming from somebody who use to be an alcoholic
Its is poison to the spirit

i dont believe in alcohol.

Please stay away from it everybody.
What made you decide to stop drinking? Did psychedelics play a part? I'm curious, because I quit drinking this New Years for the sake of my mental health.
 
Have you ever read Pharmako/Poeia by Dale Pendell? He talks a lot about certain substances in this book, which in his words, the book is "an exploration of the 'Poison Path.' All of the plant substances described in it act on the human body as drugs and thereby as poisons."

This book is a wonderful mix of poetry and science. And I recommend it to everyone.

Just a short excerpt from the book to give you an idea. It is also very relevant to this thread.

The matter of the stumbling brother is the cross of the Poison Path:
on this trope turn the intersecting greater and lesser vehicles, the right-hand path and the left.
Skilled poisoners avoid ruin, but in the struggle for "justice, peace, and joy" in the Kali Yuga,
ruin may come on her own wings. And the Ten of Swords most readily approaches those who are unlucky.

How can you tell if you are lucky or unlucky? This is most important.
If you are not lucky, you will surely stumble. Then the lucky ones must share the guilt.
The question of the stumbling brother is relevant to the debate about legalization of crack cocaine
and the possible "devastation of the Black community" that might result
(as if the Black community were not already devastated by the current illegality of crack).
Relevant, that's all. But we stray.

How can you tell if you are lucky? In his letter to the Romans,
Paul is clear that he has two teachings, that there is an exoteric path and that there is an esoteric path.
He states unambiguously that he knows that all substances are by nature pure, that Jesus told him so.
The issue then is stumbling. Another's stumbling. Another who does not understand that all substances are pure.
And since our way is the eclectic path of the magicians, we will step over the scores of stumbled bodies that
accomplished poisoners such as Aleister Crowley leave in their wake,
and toss off a couple of obstacles of our own.

You can tell if someone is lucky by their marks.
Scars are particularly revealing. Even the lucky have close calls.
But how did the wound heal over?
Is the person in question marked for calamity? Or for ruin?
The same way that some people bear the marks of survival,
others are marked for ruin and failure — it is written on them.
And I don't mean in any fatalistic sense, but writ by pattern.

Never share poisons with the unlucky.

And, as Nelson Algren said, don't sleep with them, either.

Best for all that they never hear a word about poisons.
Or about power. Or about Paul. If they do, later, well, you know the rest . . .

The danger, of course, is that you who are reading this consider yourself,
ipso facto, one of the lucky.

I will upload the first book in the series of three, but I highly recommend buying all three.

The part about alcohol begins on page 68.
 

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DivineDreamer said:
Alcohol is poison, coming from somebody who use to be an alcoholic
Its is poison to the spirit

i dont believe in alcohol.

Please stay away from it everybody.
Alcohol is by far my preferred substance of use/abuse. And the poison is in the dosage, so please share any close mindedness, self-righteousness and "my drug is better than yours" attitudes elsewhere.

That being said, I'd be more than glad to hear what moved you to do such a post.
 
A more effective method to get your message across would be to tell your tale, not lecture. No one likes to be told what to do. Simply telling your story in a compelling way will reach more people than the parent telling the child he's bad and shouldn't do this or should do this instead. We all walk our own path; tell us the divergent road you've taken (i.e.: "TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where massive amounts of booze flowed;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same
And I smoked DMT, hollowed be thy name . . . ").
 
Not a big fan of alcohol, or crack, or heroin, or nicotine...but to each their own.

Abuse is not healthy
Use in moderation...meh. Though I have yet to meet a person that can moderately use crack or heroin on a consistant basis... I have seen it with alcohol though.
 
Personally I find alcohol to be statistically pernicious to humans. I cannot generalize that it will be poison to every single person because thats a bold claim I can't prove, but one can show with enough data how bad it is in a general sense (in terms of health impact/accidents/social costs).

Also, most people I know, even close friends, when they drink alcohol I really cant be around them , due to their general unconscious behavior and being unaware of consequences to actions, being obnoxious, bad breath smell, etc. So I rather avoid social situations where alcohol is involved (most.. :p)

I never ever drink alcohol, it is not for me, and I think the world would be a better place if less people would drink, and I find it completely absurd the government's stance on it, how it is a hypocritically socially acceptable 'venting' drug that causes a lot of damage but is accepted since it doesnt lead to questioning the System. Yet another thing Im pissed about is how you can be sensored, fined or even put in jail in some places for 'gloryfying drug usage' if you try to talk about certain drugs publically, even if reasonably, and yet on TV, outdoors and advertisement we see alcohol being associated with images of fun, sex, success, being 'cool', having fun, etc. This also goes to show how hypocritical and greedy the alcohol industry is too (like all, but knowing this leads to deaths/suffering has a worse moral load imo), so this makes me not want to support the industry either. In this sense I think it would be better if people would brew/distill themselves or buy from small producers that dont advertise unscrupulously, though this would only take care of the industry concerns, I still think in general the effects of alcohol itself are more often than not harmful.

With all that being said (yes I really dont like alcohol), I think ultimately its up to each one to decide what they do. As long as they are not affecting anyone else negatively, who am I to judge this person? :)
 
I would like a follow up also, but Infundibulum and tetra, do you not think you're reading into this just a bit???? I don't think this person is preaching or lecturing.. they've only used a handful of words.. surely the fact that this is an opinion is implied.

For the record I think alcohol sucks. I got drunk a few times as a teenager, but nowadays I wouldn't have more than a beer or 2.
 
Not sure if this is true, but supposedly the 'Partnership for a Drug Free America' is sponsored by alcohol and tobacco companies. If true, it is just insane and contradictory. I don't mind the odd drink (i quite like cider), but for the most part i prefer a spliff over a beer and you can't beat the occasional act of sobriety :)

I have two friends who became alcoholics (one still is) and my lady's dad died from being an alcoholic for many years. People seem to have such a stigma against "drugs" but drink every day of their lives. The world needs to wake up a bit in this respect.
 
DoingKermit said:
Not sure if this is true, but supposedly the 'Partnership for a Drug Free America' is sponsored by alcohol and tobacco companies. If true, it is just insane and contradictory.


That used to be true. Now, ironically, it's mostly funded by big pharma and DOJ.

=/
 

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I dont like getting drunk, just dont like that feeling. I think the hangover is what puts me off:)

But I do enjoy a nice cold brew, or a good whisky.
 
People just don't understand balance for some reason. We have an insane amount of awesome substances out there, alot of it growing right out of the earth, and people stay fixated on one thing for way too long (alcohol, crack, etc)

Its like eating pizza every night. It should be obvious thats not good for you.
Why would you wanna do that anyway? Makes no sense to me
 
I can't say I've ever had too many troubles with alcohol, I've always excersised responsability with it's use, and in the appropiate social situations it's great... Beer Pong :d
 
Beer pong is a fun game. Although my friends and I like drinking hard-A, so it quickly turns into a rough night if your loosing. Air hockey is a much better drinking game.
 
Infundibulum said:
DivineDreamer said:
Alcohol is poison, coming from somebody who use to be an alcoholic
Its is poison to the spirit

i dont believe in alcohol.

Please stay away from it everybody.
Alcohol is by far my preferred substance of use/abuse. And the poison is in the dosage, so please share any close mindedness, self-righteousness and "my drug is better than yours" attitudes elsewhere.

That being said, I'd be more than glad to hear what moved you to do such a post.

Okay well that's you man, And i was just trying to help other people who feel the same,
You can jump to all your conclusions on how i am, i was just speaking my mind.
 
BeastofBurden said:
Alcohol is poison, coming from somebody who use to be an alcoholic
Its is poison to the spirit

i dont believe in alcohol.

Please stay away from it everybody.
What made you decide to stop drinking? Did psychedelics play a part? I'm curious, because I quit drinking this New Years for the sake of my mental health.




Yes that is exactly why.
 
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