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Alcohol

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Alcohol is a socially accepted and mainstream way to lower social inhibitions, which can lead to meeting new friends and getting laid. Most of my friends up here at my university look at it this way, more as a tool than an experience in itself. They only use it in social situations when it will prove useful. However, most of my friends back in my hometown get drunk every night, and while they also use it to socialize at parties, they've clearly crossed the line from social drinking to self medicating. It's sad to see how their life focus has shifted so far towards partying and drinking, as they spend virtually all of their time in either a state of drunkenness or hang-over.

Personally, I enjoy drinking occasionally, but mostly just for the social enhancement. If I'm looking for a recreational experience, I have a huge bag of tricks that will do the job a lot better. Like most other drugs, it can be useful and beneficial or totally devastating depending on your intentions.
 
soulfood said:
Alcohol gets you laaaaaaid :)
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Cocaine will get that done faster.

endlessness said:
Personally I find alcohol to be statistically pernicious to humans. I cannot generalize that it will be poison to every single person because thats a bold claim I can't prove, but one can show with enough data how bad it is in a general sense (in terms of health impact/accidents/social costs).

Also, most people I know, even close friends, when they drink alcohol I really cant be around them , due to their general unconscious behavior and being unaware of consequences to actions, being obnoxious, bad breath smell, etc. So I rather avoid social situations where alcohol is involved (most.. :p)

I never ever drink alcohol, it is not for me, and I think the world would be a better place if less people would drink, and I find it completely absurd the government's stance on it, how it is a hypocritically socially acceptable 'venting' drug that causes a lot of damage but is accepted since it doesnt lead to questioning the System. Yet another thing Im pissed about is how you can be sensored, fined or even put in jail in some places for 'gloryfying drug usage' if you try to talk about certain drugs publically, even if reasonably, and yet on TV, outdoors and advertisement we see alcohol being associated with images of fun, sex, success, being 'cool', having fun, etc. This also goes to show how hypocritical and greedy the alcohol industry is too (like all, but knowing this leads to deaths/suffering has a worse moral load imo), so this makes me not want to support the industry either. In this sense I think it would be better if people would brew/distill themselves or buy from small producers that dont advertise unscrupulously, though this would only take care of the industry concerns, I still think in general the effects of alcohol itself are more often than not harmful.

With all that being said (yes I really dont like alcohol), I think ultimately its up to each one to decide what they do. As long as they are not affecting anyone else negatively, who am I to judge this person? :)
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I agree but I did drink alcohol. I drank a lot. It was terrible for me and I was very abusive to my body the way I drank. I stopped drinking about 3 years ago and have no desire to ever drink again. I wasn't an addict, I was really good at drinking and did it to the best of my abilities, lol. Do party tricks like racing people to the bottom of a fifth and doing it by chugging. I never got alcohol poisoning that I am aware of.

I do wish I had not done all that dumb stuff when I was younger. But I guess it had a part in making me who I am today.
 
ethanol at concentrations of 70% or greater is considered a disinfectant, which is not suitable for human consumption :/
doesn't mean i don't clean out my body from time to time :)

when ethanol is consumed it converts into a poison known as acetaldehyde, then Rapidly metabolized to become non toxic.
pharmacy's answer? disulfiram! (Antabuse)
disulfiram stops the metabolism of ethanol at acetaldehyde. drinking a beer at this point will have you hovering over a toilet for hours. even the smell of alcohol may make you sick.
so. you still will go through all of the withdrawals and cravings of alcohol addiction, but get really sick if you are on this medicine. essentially going "cold turkey" is the only option, unless being ill is fun for you.
Success rate? about 5% :shock:

LSD success rate 50% (I saw an article that claimed 62%)
of 'course. thats why lsd is illegal.
it actually does something.
:?:
 
Alcohol... Hmm, it's a funny one, and my opinions are often changing on it. I think in general, if someone is thoughtful and uses alcohol consciously, then it can be quite a good thing because anxiety can be alleviated for some people who find social situations very panicky. On the flip side, inhibitions being lowered can also be a bad thing, making people nasty. I think if the person is grounded enough however, then alcohol use can be an overall neutral thing, if not slightly positive.
 
Kromey said:
I think in general, if someone is thoughtful and uses alcohol consciously, then it can be quite a good thing because anxiety can be alleviated for some people who find social situations very panicky.
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Yes that is true but there are far better medicines that will work for your anxiety.
 
endlessness said:
Also, most people I know, even close friends, when they drink alcohol I really cant be around them , due to their general unconscious behavior and being unaware of consequences to actions, being obnoxious, bad breath smell, etc. So I rather avoid social situations where alcohol is involved (most.. :p)
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I couldn't have said it better myself. I've noticed that if I'm also drunk, it's easier to deal with but I honestly don't enjoy drinking that much. I prefer Ganja for recreational times.
 
Not Sure said:
Kromey said:
I think in general, if someone is thoughtful and uses alcohol consciously, then it can be quite a good thing because anxiety can be alleviated for some people who find social situations very panicky.
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Yes that is true but there are far better medicines that will work for your anxiety.
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This post interests me, because I always saw alleviating social anxiety as alcohol's main advantage over other recreational substances/medicines. What medicines do you propose will work far better?
 
Low dose mescaline for example, at least ime :)

Though to be honest I think this social anxiety can be a sign or opportunity for us to start looking at ourselves and see, why is it that we're having this, is it related to self esteem, or to unhealthy social relations, etc? Maybe it can be goot to face it without needing to use substances, to overcome our weaknesses.

But yeah try low dose mescaline, it is beautiful, empathic and not drowning consciousness, rather making you more aware of each moment.
 
"Oh alcohol, would you please forgive me, for while I cannot love myself, I'll use something else." - Barenaked Ladies
 
Steely said:
So this was a great introduction thread...

Sarcasm aside, welcome to the forums, DivineDreamer :)

Drugs are bad, mmmkay.
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Thank you and lol
i dont know anywhere else to post
because i cant but i just post
everything in the introduction thread.
 
Alcohol raises my social inhibitions. When I take a substance that decreases my functional comprehension of a situation, I start to put up psychic defenses. I consider this the proper reaction. I am way more outgoing when sober or on something stimulation like mescalin or 2cb. I guess it depends on what the situation is though. When it's offered, I usually just say ...
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Pet said:
Not Sure said:
Kromey said:
I think in general, if someone is thoughtful and uses alcohol consciously, then it can be quite a good thing because anxiety can be alleviated for some people who find social situations very panicky.
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Yes that is true but there are far better medicines that will work for your anxiety.
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This post interests me, because I always saw alleviating social anxiety as alcohol's main advantage over other recreational substances/medicines. What medicines do you propose will work far better?
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Xanax....lol j/k.

It really depends on the person and what they like out of a substance.
 
Im not to keen on being drunk or worse, thankfully Ive only had to spend 2 days seriously ill on alcohol, dry heaving over a toiled for 8hours the day after puking up yellow liquid produced in my pancreas or some other juice produced by some organ deep inside thats never meant to exit through the mouth.

Though I do enjoy to drink a beer or two on occasion also I enjoy a good red wine, but its something I can do one day then not again for weeks at a time.

Thankfully Im not addicted to any substance.
 
DivineDreamer said:
Alcohol is poison, coming from somebody who use to be an alcoholic
Its is poison to the spirit

i dont believe in alcohol.

Please stay away from it everybody.
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It is a very bad drug that has plagued mankind for centuries, I think thats one of the reason this planet is so messed up, everyone gets big balls on it and thinks there big and tough, while there are those who do natural things that come from the earth we wanna be peaceful, but is considered a "hippie" or drugy
 
alcohol has become such a problem because it's easily available with a culture of more=better. Any drug can do the same. Educate yourself and moderation leads to no worse effects with alcohol than anything else. If people had the same mindset for dmt or lsd etc massive problems would arise.
 
dmt and lsd are not poisons in the sense that alcohol is though. You cant compare them that way IMO. I think alcohol is a shit drug. Feels like shit too. I would rather take MDMA than alcohol anyday.

Of course some people can use alcohol in a non addictive/destructive manner. I dont find it that appealing though to be honest. I dont like to be around drunk people becasue I find them dumbed down and stupid as opposed to when sober or altered by other means. I dont care if people want to drink, but I dont want to and find the company of drunk people unappealing.

"Educate yourself and moderation leads to no worse effects with alcohol than anything else."

See that statement is not really too accurate. Moderate use of alcohol on a daily basis will sure as hell leave you worse off physically than moderate daily use of say, cannabis. This is widely documented.
 
i hate alcohol probably more than most. And i don't think daily use is moderation. I'm not trying to compare anything all substances have there own level of safe use even varies person to person. But to say it's outright bad is wrong. Its what people do with it that's wrong.
 
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