Almost broke through after several attempts...but I need help please!

[InTheRed]

Hi Everyone,

I've tried DMT on several occassions, all being a pretty big let-down. I had some very minor psychodelic experiences from it: minor kaledioscope visuals with eyes closed, a tingling sensation in the body, instant coldness, instant calmness, but those lasted about 30 seconds to a minute and would go away very quick. Definitely nothing significant at all.

What was I using? Primarily a Glass Vapor Genie. I use about 8 screens and then put the DMT on top. I've used a standar lighter and torch but I seem to be able to vape it easier with a lighter than the torch. I've also used a Magic Flight Launch Box too, but I have the hash oil holders inserted into the trench. This way the trench doesn't get ruined with liquified DMT. So think of my MFLB as a hash box.

Doses used: anywhere from 15 to 45 mg, weighed out on a jewelers scale.

Every method that I used either gave me virtually nothing or simply a very MILD trip (as alluded to above). I tried EVERYTHING I could think of. After a few weeks I did some more research and concluded that I must be one of the rare non-responders. I've read a few reports of people taking huge doses and it doing nothing for them.

Okay. Here's where it gets INTERESTING. I hope you can follow me. About an hour ago I sit down and think, "Screw it. I'm going to load my Magic Flight Launch Box up with a ton of DMT and see what happpens. This is frustrating so maybe I just need a whopping dose to make this happen." In hindsight, it was at least 50 mg, and perhaps as much as 70 mg. I didn't measure because it was intended to be a mega-dose and I was convinced nothing would happen.

So, I put the tray of DMT into the MFLB and start to vaporize it. I notice, through the glass, that the DMT almost instantly became liquified. I start to see some vapor so I take about three decent hits and wait. About 30 seconds in, I feel that cold, tingly senssation and feel a bit "heavy" as if my body has been sedated. I close my eyes, voluntarily and see some kaleidoscope images. A pretty minor trip. All in all, lasting about 30 seconds to a minute. This was very similar to my first trip and a very big letdown. I'm thinking to myself that 50 to 70 mg of DMT has such a little effect...what the hell do I do next? Just give up or get stupid and go for 100 mgs. and more?

After about five minutes, everything is totally worn off and I'm totally back to baseline, like nothing happened. I walk into my bathroom to put my paraphanalia back up and notice that some of the DMT has leaked outside of the hash tray and leaked onto the wired trench of the Magic Flight Launch Box. My first reaction is, "Crap. The DMT residue could ruin it. I want to use this in the future for stuff besides DMT." So I re-insert the battery and attempt to burn the residue off. It worked and I immediately noticed that the residue was vaporizing and collecting inside of the MFLB. I put my mouth on the glass piece and take one big inhale while standing in my bathroom. Within one second I realized that I was going for some kind of ride and to sit my ass down pretty quick. Previously, DMT has taken about 30 seconds to actually kick in. This time after the vaporized hit, I hit me virtually instantly. I sat down five seconds later on my couch and took another vape and I was off!

I still had my trippin' music playing, luckily. Right away, I knew this time was going to be different. Very different. I immediately got a very intense buzzing in my body. I also got some minor buzzing in my ears but nothing like what I've heard others experience (where it's all you can hear). I felt very cold and my heart felt like it was beating at 200 beats per minute yet at the same time it felt like it had slowed way down. My eyes were closed automatically; there was no choice of leaving them open. This time the kaledioscope images but they were way, way more intense and vivid. Very reminiscent of the kaledioscope images that you see posted on DMT/LSD sites.

Within a few seconds, I felt really out of control. Like I was in a alien place without any reference to anything worldly. I kept telling myself, "You're just here to observe. Don't worry. Don't direct. Just watch. It will all be fine." With all of that being said and me truly understanding that I'll be fine within a few minutes, I still had that anxiety of "Shit. I hope I don't stay here forever." As a matter of fact, I remember explicitly thinking about my girlfriend and how I love her and that I need to leave this place to get back to her...I can't stay here forever...I need to leave to get back to earth to enjoy my life.

Did I see anything scary? No, not at all. Then why was I anxious? I really don't know. The moment I realized the trip was subtly losing strength, I started to enjoy it much more. It was as if I realized that I wasn't staying in this extraterrestrial place forever and that it was just a temporary trip. I knew all of this going in...and I'm sure I was aware of it while tripping, but something took over that made me happy once the strength of the trip started to wear down. Did I see demons, angels, aliens or anything profound? No. But I do remember seeing a shadow of a large spider mounted atop of a globe or circular ball. I didn't see it directly and it was just a glimpse of its shadow. Aside from that, that's the only thing I saw that could be called living or creature-like. Everything else was a geometric pattern.

Was I still "in my body?" Yes. I would defintely say that I didn't breakthrough. The whole time I was aware that I was still in my body and could control it, should I need to move an arm or leg. I was definitely still fused with my physicallness.

Oh, I forgot the music! I had a list of trip music playing and most of it happeend to be Buckethead (any guitar players will probably know him). It was fascinating. It seemed like the music was being played right in front of me. Like the DMT was the music...it seemed like I was right in front of the artist and the music became part of the DMT.

Anyways, here's my problem: since I seemed to have failed at getting a good dose of DMT through conventional means, how in the world do I duplicate what just happened to me? I can't foul up my MFLB and just throw pure DMT on top of the trench because I will, for sure, end up ruining the box for marijuana purposes.

I feel very happy right now but very conflicted because out of six attempts, or so, at using DMT, I finally got a fantastic trip in (probably what most of you experience right from the get do) and it was a complete mistake in how I managed to do it.

Any suggestions as to what I can do is greatly appreciated. Seriously, I've spent a lot of time and money and felt as if I was a non-responder and this inadvertant mistake led me to my first awesome DMT experience. I just need to figure out how to do it again. Should I just leave the hash trays out of my MLFB and pack some weed ash in the trench and then sprinkle a bunch of DMT on top of the ash?

I'm not saying that I'm giving up completely on the Glass Vapor Genie, but I just couldn't get any effect from it. I'm certainly up for suggestions though. Anything that can help me is going to be a godsend. Thanks everyone!

 

[Entheogenerator]

First and foremost, are you on any medications? Certain medications can diminish or almost completely counteract the effects of many psychedelics.

Secondly, have you tried taking your doses in one single toke? This can definitely play a huge part in determining the "intensity" of the experience.

Part of your problem with the GVG could be from technique. It is difficult to get the heat just right without burning any of the DMT. another problem could be the screens. From what I have gathered, the screen-stacking method is just not adequate even if you fill the whole chamber with screens. Look into the stainless steel/ copper mesh scrubber pads, or the ceramic flavor discs (which I personally prefer).

Another very likely possibility is that your problem could be psychological. I have heard about many people trying and trying to breakthrough, and then finally doing so once they essentially give up. I don't know if this is the case, but it is definitely an option to consider. I find it interesting that the one time you finally got significant effects from DMT was the one time that you weren't expecting or intending to. This could be a coincidence, or it could be an essential piece of evidence to consider.

Also, if you haven't already, check out this thread.

 

[anrchy]

Most likely there is a ton of DMT at the neck of your gvg. You really need something more than just screens. Your probably vaporizing a very small dose while the rest just melts through the screens.

Put something on top of the screens. Either chore boy or some kind of herb. Put the dmt on top of that and use a torch. Lower the dose as well. Trying 50mg is not going to teach you good technique.

 

[Mister_Niles]

Sounds like technique. Do you smoke cannabis? If so, learn to use your GVG with a torch without burning the weed. Do that for awhile and you'll get really comfortable with the GVG. Then, clean it out and try spice with chore boy or a ceramic disc. You might have to turn your torch up a bit for the spice.
I use the copper mesh disc (chore boy) and it works well. There is another option that I've yet to try, but will soon. Ceramic Flavor Disc in your GVG. Gibran2, the popularizer of the copper mesh disc swears by these ceramic discs. Check this thread:

Bye-Bye Choreboy - Vaping/Smoking - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Donline]

Think of it like this..

Oxygen for this Reality... DMT for that :thumb_up:

Every breath you take after the toke diminishes the trip... You can only absorb a certain amount of Smoke per hit, so mixing with herbs making it even less so..

Swim has been in the Zone for 30+ mins on a 20mg roll up..
Shallow breaths will help.. even moving around breaks the cycle

 

[InTheRed]

Thanks everyone for their responses. I truly appreciate it because I'm frustrated but starting to feel better because I know that I definitely respond now. It seems like I just need to get my technique down.

Entheogenerator: I do take several medications. I take a blood pressure med, Lisinopril. I also take a thyroid med, T3, as well. I'm a caffeine junkie and do, just twice a week take Modafinil and ephedrine, but I purposefully make sure these drugs are out of my system before I take any DMT. I recall someone saying that ephedrine and DMT don't mix well. Typically, it would be at least 24 hours after I've taken ephedrine of modafinil. I know that DMT can increase blood pressure and mine is not sky-high (although I tend to get really nervous prior to hitting it). I've also never mixed any other drugs eithe. I occassionaly smoke marijuana and I also drink several times a week. I never have done either while smoking DMT.

And no, I've not tried taking it all in one hit. Even though I'm using the GVG, I find it somewhat hard to figure out how much is left in the chamber after I take a hit. I will try it next time. Let me ask: I'm somewhat used to taking moderate puffs on the GVG, to get long, slow draws. Should I just get the lighter/torch close to the top and take one long, fast, monster draw? Almost like I'm gasping for air?

Also, I'm ordering a ceraminc flavor disk, right now, from LSV. I've read about this before. One gentleman talked about gently melting the DMT into the ceramic flavor disk and then putting it into the GVP. Is that the route you would go or would you just sit the DMT on top of the ceramic filter and then place it inside of the GVG and go?

You could be right about my psychology. Perhaps I'm putting too much thought into it too. I find myself thoroughly planning out DMT sessions (to no avail) and doing all of this stuff. Instead, I just sponteanously pull it out and happen to accidentally take off. I was definitely at the point, truly, what I was like, what the hell...just load up a huge amount because it's probably going to be my last hurrah. Thank god, that I had a good experience, albeit accidentally.

Thank you for that link. I'm reading it right now! Your advice has been invaluable, Entheogenerator!

 

[InTheRed]

anrchy: I have noticed that my GVG does have DMT crystals that have collected inside of it. This would tell me that I'm definitely not vaporizing all of it if it's crystalizing and collecting inside of my GVG, right?

I'm going to order a ceramic flavor disk, from LSV. Do you think this will do the trick? In the meantime, I can get a chore boy. But can I ask: where in the world do you find one of these at? Is it something you find at a place like Wal-Mart or Target or more like Home Depot or Lowes? Once I find one, I'm assuming I need a tiny, tiny one or do I need to chop it up so that it fits inside of my GVG? Thanks.

As far as herbs, go, what do you recommend I use? I have a bit of ash from previous marijuana hits but I don't really want to mix any effects from that with DMT and, perferably, want something inert. I'm assuming anything from a head shop (relaxation blend, energy blend) or something like that would work?

 

[InTheRed]

Mister_Niles: Yes, I smoke cannabis. I don't do it more often than once a week though. I've never had a problem, ever, smoking it through my MFLB or the GVG. Truth be told, I bought the GVG for just DMT but I have also used it once for cannabis. I had no problem getting quality hits through it but maybe I should spend more time perfecting my technique with it. I would be more enthused to do this but, at the time, I only have indica-based stuff, so once I load up and hit it, I'm out of commission for about 4 hours. For me, it's definitely a nightcap.

I do agree that I need to get a lot more comfortable with the GVG. I can certainly see the vapor pulls when I'm using the GVG, but I always have a hard time judging how much DMT is left in the chamber, while I'm smoking.

I'm heading out in a few minutes and will stop at my local grocery store to find a Chore Boy (copper or stainless steel seems to be what everyone uses). Is this where you bought yours? I also have a Home Depot and Lowes close by. I went to the Chore Boy website but couldn't find a location for just the Chore Boy metal scrubbers.

While I'm at it, I'm going to order one or two of the ceramic flavor disks. Thank you for your help!

 

[InTheRed]

Lastly: I mentioned briefly that my GVG has crystalized DMT collecting inside of it, within the glass channel. Is this a big deal and something that I should be cleaning out right away or is it okay to have a bit of residue withint the GVG? Thanks!

 

[Bill Cipher]

Also, I'm ordering a ceraminc flavor disk, right now, from LSV. I've read about this before. One gentleman talked about gently melting the DMT into the ceramic flavor disk and then putting it into the GVP. Is that the route you would go or would you just sit the DMT on top of the ceramic filter and then place it inside of the GVG and go?

Guaranteed, bad technique is your issue. But that ceramic stone you're ordering can certainly make the difference. Melt it in to the stone prior to dropping it into the GVG - all it takes is a momentary touch with a torch lighter to do so. No need for screens at all - the stone will sit right over the hole and hot air will flow right through it. DEFINITELY vaporize with a torch. If you hit it just right, the bulk of the dose will flash boil in about a second or two and you'll get a very dense hit all at once. If you're timid, however, or your torch isn't up for the challenge, much of your dose will still melt through the stone and run down the neck (all of which is retrievable at anytime with a little bit of warm acetone).

Do not try this initially with 50 mgs or anything silly. Start off with 15 or 20, and work on clearing the entire dose in one hit. If you're feeling bold afterwards, work your way up in 5 mg increments until you find your own personal sweet spot (or breaking point).

Don't get cavalier because you haven't yet been rocked. When you finally get it and hit it right, you'll be unbelievably shocked.

 

[Entheogenerator]

This thread is loaded with good advice for perfecting your technique. The ceramic vapor discs seem to make it much easier, in my experience.

The scrubber doesn't have to be ChoreBoy brand, any stainless steel or copper mesh scrubber from the dishwashing soap aisle of your local grocery store will do. You'll have to cut and shape it, as is demostrated in the GVG thread. Personally, I probably wouldn't even bother with the scrubber, I would just wait until the ceramic vapor discs arrive.

It's okay to have a little bit of residue in the GVG, but personally I would wash it out with some warm 99% IPA, evaporate the IPA, and recover the DMT or DMT n-oxide (I have read speculations that it could be either, but n-oxide is active so either way it is worth salvaging).

Also I have never been able to get the larger-sized ceramic discs to fit in the GVG well, so I would recommend the smaller size.

 

[anrchy]

The problem with some of the non chore boy scrubber is its thinner and sometimes has some kind of film on it. Chore boy can be found at Safeway Walmart Walgreen's Fred Meyer ect.

You want the thicker ribbon type like chore boy if for some reason you can't find it. Flavor discs are the best but the chore boy can hold you over just fine until you get it.