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Alternative way to ingest 40x?

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sheepie

sheepie

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Hey guys, I smoked half a gram of 20x, (torch lighter + holding it in for 20 seconds) and it didn't work. I heard something about instant tolerance - which is that if you don't get it on your first hit, your receptors "shut off".

Anyway, I bought 40x. I've done a little bit of research and I've come to the conclusion that maybe smoking it isn't the most spiritual way to ingest it. What method would you guys recommend? And how many milligrams of 40x? (I have a gram)

Thank you
 
Please, do not smoke any more salvia until you've done more research and know what you're doing.

If that 20x is actually twenty times the potency of plain leaf, a half gram would contain about 25 mg of salvinorin A (more accurately, it would probably contain somewhere in the 15-35 mg range). A strong dose is 1 mg. So 25 mg would be a huge overdose. It wouldn't kill you, but it would be extremely unpleasant.

You should be thankful that you were lucky enough to not get any effects when you smoked that half gram, not trying to push the envelope even more.

See gibran2's thread about dosing (stickied at the top of the salvia subforum) for more details about dosage. 20 mg of 40x extract would be a strong dose (if the potency of the extract is in fact forty times that of plain leaf).
 
Yeah, I don't know about instant tolerance but I definately got reverse tolerance with salvia. At first it took 10x - couple hits - to breakthrough. Not long after it was single hits on 5x for fully immersive, bizarre, 3D breakthroughs, every time.

40X sounds terrifying at any quantity or level of tolerance. I'd suggest getting some plain leaf or 5x, a medium bong with a very small bowl size, filled with heavily iced water. Take a long, slow hit and hold it at least 20 seconds. Repeat at least once. Lay back and wait - it may take as long as a minute or two.

You can also "quid" by using fresh or dried leaves in between cheek and gum.

There's a lot of information on all aspects of salvia at www.sagewisdom.org
 
Entropymancer said:
Please, do not smoke any more salvia until you've done more research and know what you're doing.

If that 20x is actually twenty times the potency of plain leaf, a half gram would contain 25 mg of salvinorin A. A strong dose is 1 mg. So 25 mg would be a huge overdose. It wouldn't kill you, but it would be extremely unpleasant.

You should be thankful that you were lucky enough to not get any effects when you smoked that half gram, not trying to push the envelope even more.

See gibran2's thread about dosing (stickied at the top of the salvia subforum) for more details about dosage. 20 mg of 40x extract would be a strong dose (if the potency of the extract is in fact forty times that of plain leaf).
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I already know a little of what I'm in for. I know it's going to be more intense than I can possibly imagine. I'm not trying to be ambitious. I know a gram of 20x has 10-20 trips in it, but it's weird that it didn't affect me. I started with a tenth, then when that didn't work I doubledosed, and so forth, until I was doing maybe 250mg at a time, and that didn't affect me. This is why I want to try 40x. But I'm going to start small again.

I was just wondering if there was an alternative way to ingest it, something that would be more meaningful and more reliable. I'll check out that thread, thanks :)
 
Research is super important here. There is a well documented phenomenon with salvia called reverse tolerance. It's very real. You sound like you are proceeding without having done any research at all. Please understand you are smoking a powerful dissociative that can terrify you, launch you out of your body and easily cause your body to fully act out the contents of your 3-D trips . . . . when you are not in it.
 
sheepie said:
I know a gram of 20x has 10-20 trips in it
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More like 40-80

sheepie said:
but it's weird that it didn't affect me.
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No, it's not. It's entirely normal. For many people, it takes several tries before they get effects. This is usually chalked up to "reverse tolerance", though no pharmacological mechanism is known. Upping your dose isn't going to solve the problem. I'd recommend getting some plain leaf, or at most some 6x extract. Try a moderate dose (one that would contain about 0.8 mg). If that doesn't work, you can try again... but don't up the dose. The dose isn't the issue, and smoking larger and larger amounts until you get effects won't get you anything but in over your head.

If you're still not getting any effects after a dozen tries with a moderate dose, go ahead and try doubling it (aiming for about 1.5 mg salvinorin A). But please, don't go smoking doses containing dozens of milligrams. It's a very powerful substance. It just seems to approach some people on its own terms.


I was just wondering if there was an alternative way to ingest it, something that would be more meaningful and more reliable.
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Definitely check out quidding. I've only tried quidding once at a fairly mild dose, but it felt like it would get me to a more productive place than my experiences smoking the leaves. But most people have little to no success quidding extract (there are some people who quid extracts with success, but they seem to be the exceptions). Fresh leaf, or at least plain dried leaf, are preferable.
 
there is no such thing as "instant tolerance" wth salvia. I smoked it daily for like a year and I could go again and again for like an hour if I felt likt it. With salvia there is REVERSE tolerance. Why would you even attempt to smoke half a gram of 20x anyway? Trust me, you are very very fucking LUCKY that you did not experience effects...that is just a rediculous dose to take..

You seriousily need to go do more research. Check out sagewisdom.com before you attempt any more salvia experiences and read everything you can. This stuff is the most realistic and reality warping psychedelic I know of..be careful.
 
Maybe your salvia extract is bunk.
But yeah you definately need to do more research again in the salvia forum here and sagewisdom.
There is something wrong between you and this salvia extract.
 
Here's my rant (not directed specifically at you, sheepie):


This is exactly what I’ve talked so much about: “Half a gram of 20X didn’t do anything, so maybe I’ll give half a gram of 40X a try.” This is followed by the usual “worst trip ever, I’ll never do that sh** again, anyone who likes that has got to be crazy, why would anyone smoke salvia…” etc.

Reverse tolerance or not, if someone smokes half a gram of legitimate 20X they’ll be in for the worst experience of their life. I recently smoked 23mg of my own 20X and it was one of the most intense salvia experiences I’ve ever had – and I’ve had hundreds of experiences. Half a gram is almost 22 times as much!

Now suppose someone goes out and buys 40X because they got no effects from 20X. Maybe this time the vendor is actually selling legitimate 40X. Our hypothetical irresponsible, uninformed user decides to smoke half a gram. That would be the equivalent of 50 strong doses! (That would be equivalent to a DMT dose of 1.5g!!!)

Is it any wonder salvia has the reputation it has? Is anyone surprised that more and more states in the US are making it illegal? Between dishonest vendors selling weak, mislabeled products, uninformed users smoking it like it was a bowl of weed, and those horrible YouTube videos, it’s no wonder things are going the way they are.
 
Smoking extracts...such a waste. Like others said, reverse tolerance is very real. Take it daily in small doses and you will be able to travel on leaf alone.
 
sheepie wrote:
I know a gram of 20x has 10-20 trips in it

More like 40-80

I would say more like 10, if only it were 40-80, a gramme would last me a lifetime
 
DeMenTed said:
sheepie wrote:
I know a gram of 20x has 10-20 trips in it

More like 40-80

I would say more like 10, if only it were 40-80, a gramme would last me a lifetime
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Entropymancer was referring to legitimate 20X. Most products sold commercially are garbage and don’t contain nearly as much active ingredient as they claim.

I grow my own salvia and make my own extracts, and as I said in my last post, 23mg of my 20X produced one of the most intense salvia experiences of my life. My typical dose is in the 15-20mg range. Based on extraction results, I’d say my 20X has about 60mg of salvinorin A per gram, so a gram has about 60 strong doses. That’s in line with my experiences.

If you’re only getting 10 doses per gram of extract, then the extract is actually closer to 4X – nowhere near 20X.


EDIT: Another bit of information - a strong dose of plain leaf is 300-500mg, so if someone is getting no effects form half a gram of 20X, it's quite possible that the supposed 20X is less potent than plain leaf (maybe the vendor is selling waste leaf that has had the salvinorin A removed?)
 
gibran2 said:
Here's my rant (not directed specifically at you, sheepie):


This is exactly what I’ve talked so much about: “Half a gram of 20X didn’t do anything, so maybe I’ll give half a gram of 40X a try.” This is followed by the usual “worst trip ever, I’ll never do that sh** again, anyone who likes that has got to be crazy, why would anyone smoke salvia…” etc.

Reverse tolerance or not, if someone smokes half a gram of legitimate 20X they’ll be in for the worst experience of their life. I recently smoked 23mg of my own 20X and it was one of the most intense salvia experiences I’ve ever had – and I’ve had hundreds of experiences. Half a gram is almost 22 times as much!

Now suppose someone goes out and buys 40X because they got no effects from 20X. Maybe this time the vendor is actually selling legitimate 40X. Our hypothetical irresponsible, uninformed user decides to smoke half a gram. That would be the equivalent of 50 strong doses! (That would be equivalent to a DMT dose of 1.5g!!!)

Is it any wonder salvia has the reputation it has? Is anyone surprised that more and more states in the US are making it illegal? Between dishonest vendors selling weak, mislabeled products, uninformed users smoking it like it was a bowl of weed, and those horrible YouTube videos, it’s no wonder things are going the way they are.
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Hear, hear! I couldn't have said it better.

People do seem to approach it like it's cannabis. It's just a leaf, it's green(ish), so they just pack a big bowl of it and hit it hard. That's the worst way to approach it. It demands much more respect than something like cannabis.

gibran2 said:
Another bit of information - a strong dose of plain leaf is 300-500mg, so if someone is getting no effects form half a gram of 20X, it's quite possible that the supposed 20X is less potent than plain leaf (maybe the vendor is selling waste leaf that has had the salvinorin A removed?)
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I had never considered that someone would be THAT dishonest. Selling waste leaf from extractions for profit?! I have to admit, that is possible, but man, talk about dishonest.

Buy some plain leaf from a reputable vendor and do your own extractions. Or better yet, grow your own and do your own extractions.
 
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