Am I expecting too much?

[psychonut]

I have just recently started smoking my DMT, Ayahuasca having been my only experience with hyperspace. I have NO ONE to counsel me or sit w/me during any of this. I am 52 and have been using entheogens for...a while. In thefollowing lies my question...
My dmt is in the form of a clear glycerine-like oil. I had crystals, but prefer this form. Anyway I smoked 6-8 drops of this oil on a small amount of clove cigarette tobacco in a glass pipe of my own construction. After 2-4 hits everything looks "perfect", no flaws in the walls, all angles pure and square, "plastic" grass and "digitized trees", etc. Also a myriad of undulating geometric shapes in the air (Elves?). The colors talk in little droplets and the voice is similar to my own. When I close my eyes I am looking into a vast room with the "Elves"(I assume thats what they are) all seeming to vie for attention. A little on the order of children saying "look at me, look at me!" I can see into the room and it's filled with different things that I'm being shown, although I don;t know what they are or what they mean. It another realm but no "ET's" and very little "head trip".
It's all very cool, but I want to go deeper. Can I, and how?
Any feedback from more experienced travellers will be greatly appreciated. BTW, as far as alternate realities and space folding in on itself, as well as introspection and the like, Ayahuasca has been much more effective.
What gives?

 

[Crazyhorse]

Have you figured out how many MG there are per drop of your oil? It might just not be concentrated enough to get you all the way there in 2-4 hits.

 

[Felnik]

That clear oil stuff you have sounds like it hasn't been fully evaporated , you might want to check into that for starters.

I might suggest forgetting everything you' ve read relating to
Dmt experiences for a while and just diving in on your own terms with no expectation.

If your not getting deep enough check your smoking method . Also the quality of the spice your using .

Also adding a MAOI source such as caapi in some form can be a real game changer .

 

[psychonut]

My oil started out as white crystals, but I decided to do an evaporation as the freezer was not effective enough. I have no idea how many mg. per drop it is, but maybe will recrx and weigh it. I feel sure that all my solvent is gone. I used acetone at the end to be sure, and I did an evap test on my solvent(VM&P Naptha, Tru Value brand)and it's very clean stuff, no residue of any kind.

Also,I will refrain from posting multiple threads in the future. I thought, too late, that it was more appropriate for this forum.
Does any part of my experience sound familiar? What is referred to when people talk about Elves?

Oh, I was doing 7-8 grams H.G. Cubes during one session. I would have taken some rue, however; It seemed to detract from an earlier shroom experience, so I left it out. I will add it back next time.

I think I'll get a VG before trying again.

 

[jamie]

rextal, make changa and take an extra hit or 2 if you need it.

You smoked the DMT on 7-8g of cubes and it still was not deep enough? 7-8g of cubes is more than I would care for on it's own. I would not even have a body to speak of for a very long time after that.

 

[psychonut]

I just read what Changa is, I've never tried it. Got a favorite mix?
My dosages have always been higher than the norm, sucks too. Shrooms grow slooow.

 

[Eliyahu]

Shrooms grow slooow....

With brazil or KSS strain you could have an OZ in about a month.

 

[psychonut]

I checked the specific gravity of DMT base and it is a hair over 1 gram per mil. There are generally 18 drops per mil of H2O and since these are small drops, I'm guessing 30 drops per mil. That would mean each drop should weigh about 33-35 mg.

Based on the avg. dose of spice I'm guessing that I'm getting lousy vaporization. I feel confident in the purity as I have been doing extractions on other substances for years. Even if my base is only 75 pct. pure that is still way too much per dose.

Gotta get a VG.

 

[3rdI]

How did you make your smoking oil?

 

[psychonut]

How did you make your smoking oil?

MHRB powder acidified with 5% vinegar, basified with CaOH, pulled with VM&P naptha.

Crystalized by placing jars of solvent on a block of dry ice to generate sub-zero temps.
My product was nice white crystals, but I threw them back in mysolvent and evapped at melting point temps to make oil. If I throw a xtal in I feelsure it will spontaneously recrystalize.

Half the fun of extractions or grows, be it shrooms or weed, is the DOING of it. Some of my coolest discoveries have come in the aftermath of disaster.

 

[psychonut]

Shrooms grow slooow....

With brazil or KSS strain you could have an OZ in about a month.

Elaborate. Shrooms are my most recent project and I'm still "kitting" it. Never done the PF tek...yet. My fruiting chamber is awesome...to me anyway. Tried a couple of "myco-forums", but there was waaay too much B.S. to wade through.

I assume those are cube strains?

 

[Eliyahu]

Shrooms grow slooow....

With brazil or KSS strain you could have an OZ in about a month.

Elaborate. Shrooms are my most recent project and I'm still "kitting" it. Never done the PF tek...yet. My fruiting chamber is awesome...to me anyway. Tried a couple of "myco-forums", but there was waaay too much B.S. to wade through.

I assume those are cube strains?

they are cubes

Yeah the cake thing is pretty easy IMO and yeild much faster, although I belive the yield is technically larger with a large fruiting chamber....

Generally I just do the small sized canning jars... I create mother jars and then once I have 3 or four good mother jars I spread the mycelium to about 20 more jars with a sterlie spoon. I do this every two weekas and it creates a perpetual sea of fun-gus. 1 jar is usually colinized in 5 days and the mushrooms are grown and ready for harvest in about 15-20 days from start.


It's easy to overcomplicate growing mushroom cuz of all the diferent info out there, I just find that to keep it simple is best.

 

[Enoon]

with a little effort you can get a nice shroom farm going with almost weekly harvests... takes a bit of reading and some equipment but definitely worth the trouble

the kit is nothing compared to what you get out of it when growing yourself from 0. Check out the link in my signature for some general info to get you started, if you like.

anyway concerning your DMT experience, it sounds like you have a medium dose here and if you want higher effects you wil need to ingest more. based on your estimations of your drops you are probably wasting quite a bit due to smoking technique. A GVG is recommendable but also takes a few times of practice to get it right. Definitely also invest in a decent torch lighter. Finally once you get the smoking technique of the GVG down (don't forget to add some extra screens if you are smoking pure crystals) your prefered dose for full effects can be as low as 28mg, but can also be higher.

As for the depth of the experience, I for one find that longer experiences like pharma are deeper than smoked dmt, on the average. That's not to say that a smoked dmt experience can't be deep, but in general I find I have too little time to assimilate the emotions of the roller-coaster ride in order to feel instant introspective benefits or a change in perspective or whatnot. However I found that the days after the experiences little by little some kind of integration takes place on a very subtle level, and I must admit that I do enjoy this. It's just a very different type of experience than the longer aya or shroom or lsd trips.

I guess it depends on what you want in the end and where you let your experiences take you. you can definitely get stronger effects than the ones you describe, but I don't know if it's what you are looking for. Either way, I wish you good luck on your travels!

 

[psychonut]

How did you make your smoking oil?

After doing some experimentation I have come to the conclusion that my "oil" is 5-10% plant wax or even a little machine oil from the shredder used by my MHRB supplier. Still good stuff tho. Next time I won't do a full evap.

3rdI,
When I'm wrong I'm wrong. There for a minute or two I thought I was on to something.

 

[Crazyhorse]

How did you make your smoking oil?

After doing some experimentation I have come to the conclusion that my "oil" is 5-10% plant wax or even a little machine oil from the shredder used by my MHRB supplier. Still good stuff tho. Next time I won't do a full evap.

If you just prefer dealing with a liquid instead of crystals, you can make a tincture by mixing your crystals with vinegar in a dropper bottle and measure out your dose by drops into a spoon, then evap the vinegar with a lighter, junkie style. I've never tried it but it's described in the Q21Q21 tek. He says it's more convenient for storage and transport, and dose measuring. Probably more stealthy than a baggie of white powder, too.

 

[3rdI]

After doing some experimentation I have come to the conclusion that my "oil" is 5-10% plant wax or even a little machine oil from the shredder used by my MHRB supplier. Still good stuff tho. Next time I won't do a full evapi.

3rdI,
When I'm wrong I'm wrong. There for a minute or two I thought I was on to something.

You wanna be careful, your health is important.

Plant fats are probably OK, lots of people like yellow DMT. If you think it is machine oil then you need to stay away, it is a very bad idea to smoke something like that.

i don't understand how you keep crystals as an oil, how do you keep it at melting point? Doesnt it have solvent traces in it that stop it from crystalising?
I would suggest that unless your a chemist, or really understand what your doing, that you don't just experiment with random processes.

If you think you have found something new then come on here and ask/share it. there are plenty of compitant chemist who can offer up there advice.

Stay safe my friend.

 

[psychonut]

I took it down to 25-30 degrees, still "oil". I believed that it would rextal, but it didn't. It is now a clear amber oil similar in texture to thick glycerine. I think that it must have some impurities from the MHRB itself as there is no taste or smell of anything reminiscent of petroleum.

I heated my solution/naptha up before I pulled...jim jam?

I have been doing this stuff (creative chemistry) for years, however; most of my experience is in the area of redox reactions and pulling that and "gassing" to produce an HCl salt. Very karmicly expensive. I quit that shit years ago.

I used to be a chem TA at a local jr. college so I do have some background in chem, but am no expert, especially when it comes to DMT. I tend to work out of the box most of the time, but I try to be careful.

This("oil")is definitely nothing new...except to me.

What do know about jim jam/yellow DMT?

I think that my mg. calculations are pretty close since DMT base is practically the same density as water. At 20 drops per mil., each drop should weigh in at 50mg. Allowing for 20%
impurities, it would be 40mg. DMT per drop.

Now I have to figure out the best way to smoke it. Due to monetary constraints a VG is out at the moment, so any help will be appreciated. I used to smoke meth, so if anything is analogous to that, then I will understand it. I am pretty much a neophite when it comes to DMT jargon, e.g., changa, jim jam, etc...


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