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Amanita and dosages

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Mystic0

Mystic0

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A friend of mine has just found the jackpot of all amanita muscaria, a HUGE stockpile in the woods, he's never really done many amanita before and neither have I, we're just wondering what the correct dosage should be and whether or not they should be dried out etc, best way to take them too :) if anyone could lend us a hand
 
Im no pro, but you should sun dry them. or toast them in the oven on low heat to convert some toxic to something other. not sure if boiling solves that. Im not sure about the names. And I would really start low with these, I me and a friend picked a few. then decided the risk wasnt worth it. We are new to psychedelics, and amaniate seems like they can be extremly rough on psychedelic doses.

You need more info for sure, I hope somebody will see this and can help you in greater deteil
 
A pair of mushrooms might be traditionally used.

Shade dry, then powder (mixing well to homogenize potency), then tea at 190F 30min. before then, finally, expose the tea to the sunlight for final conversion process.

Can strain also.
 
If you're going to eat them, I'd recommend a simple soup. It really doesn't taste bad at all. Or at least, I never had any problem with the taste or texture. And don't look too closely, there are often maggots on the caps (just some extra protein, right??).

So, you going to take the ol' shamanic "urine challenge"? 😉

Hey, I did it. Try everything once, I say. (My own urine mind you!)
 
Do some searches, there's more detailed info around here. I'm interested in finding out more about them myself. From what I've gathered so far, don't expect them to do much on their own unless you take enough to possibly make you sick (I guess this is why they're apparently still legal?). They seem to be best used in small amounts for potentiating other substances, and work along with with dmt/aya, cannabis, and other types of shrooms.

I got some dosage advice from Eliyahu (who has apparently worked with them quite a bit) and he was saying only take something like 1/4 gram (sun dried). So just a tiny bit should be enough to do it for the potentiation effects.
 
Crazyhorse said:
I got some dosage advice from Eliyahu (who has apparently worked with them quite a bit) and he was saying only take something like 1/4 gram (sun dried). So just a tiny bit should be enough to do it for the potentiation effects.
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yea that is more for using it in combination with other psychs, rather than amanita.

but honestly if you are looking to reach visionary realms with just amanita you have to either drink urine or go to greath lengths to do a vedic pavamana.

the gram dosage isn't reliable because a baby may weigh under a gram when dried and have as much muscimol as a huge 6g cap (sometimes more since babies tend to have the veils intact)

if you have such a baby cap (still covered in the white veil) then 1/4g is probably quite accurate, but if you have nothing but large caps, sometimes one of those (with the stem) isn't quite enough.

the general rule of thumb is vomiting = overdose, but if you are eating the caps directly you might as well drink a glass of red wine and smoke 5mg of dmt, its about the same effects, without the unpleasantries.

for beginning it is good to use it for microdosing, dreamwork or to synergize with other psychs (its mostly what i use it for), but it is a realm i plan on delving back into when i am more experienced.


also if you have nothing but large caps i extremely recommend doing a crude extract (i like to use ethanol/isopropyl and water). as far as extract goes, mine came out a resin, but i have been told the oilier the better.
 
why would one need to drink pee haha? or was it a joke?


Edit: found my answer

"Among the various Siberian peoples who use Amanita muscaria as a cultural norm, there exists a curious practice whereby the urine of one who has consumed the mushroom is drunk by another who consequently becomes inebriated. The urine of this person may then be drunk by another and so on, the procedure being repeated up to five or six times. The reason for this practice is that A. muscaria contains ibotenic acid which, when the carboxyl radical is removed from the molecule, yields the psychoactive molecule muscimole [Ott, p. 327]. The metabolic process of decarboxylation which effects this transformation within the user's liver is very inefficient. In fact, it is so inefficient that approximately 85% of the ibotenic acid ingested (more than enough to inebriate further users) passes through the body unchanged and is excreted in the urine [Ott, p. 328]. To put it another way, the urine contains more than five times as much of the drug as the body can assimilate."
 
zombicyckel said:
the urine contains more than five times as much of the drug as the body can assimilate."
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supposedly this is why caribou were domesticated into reindeer, as shaman would use reindeer to recycle the amanita, and collect the urine. this is also supposedly where the flying reindeer and santa claus myths come from.


but yea the smell of my urine after consuming amanita was horrid, and i dont think i could drink my pee even if it smelled like water..
 
Parshvik Chintan said:
zombicyckel said:
the urine contains more than five times as much of the drug as the body can assimilate."
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supposedly this is why caribou were domesticated into reindeer, as shaman would use reindeer to recycle the amanita, and collect the urine. this is also supposedly where the flying reindeer and santa claus myths come from.
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Interesting info I hadn't run across yet! :thumb_up: I thought the pee thing was just to remove the toxins so you could take a higher dose without side effects, didn't realize it boosts the potency too. Still not sure I'd want to try it but that's pretty wild. :lol:
 
Parshvik Chintan said:
zombicyckel said:
the urine contains more than five times as much of the drug as the body can assimilate."
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supposedly this is why caribou were domesticated into reindeer, as shaman would use reindeer to recycle the amanita, and collect the urine. this is also supposedly where the flying reindeer and santa claus myths come from.


but yea the smell of my urine after consuming amanita was horrid, and i dont think i could drink my pee even if it smelled like water..
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Haha, that quite a neat theory on flying reindeers :D
 
Go for the gold(en elixer).:love:

Removes nausea/toxins; and each recycling ups dose by 85% as was cited previously.

No joke:!: ; most intense:shock: .

Be safe.


Blessings.
 
finally, expose the tea to the sunlight for final conversion process.
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...very interesting. have not heard this bit. i wonder if it really does anything...

i have always sun-dried, or dehydrated amanita before making tea/soup. agaric taste quite pleasant.
 
Well UV rays (sunlight) are said to turn Ibotenic acid -> Muscazone.

But I wouldn't want that untill I've changed as much Ibotenic acid as possible into Muscimol.

Then I'd give sunlight to finish off the I.a.
 
flickedbic said:
Well UV rays (sunlight) are said to turn Ibotenic acid -> Muscazone.
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UV rays definitely help, sun drying is without question the way to with amanitas.
this is actually one of the first steps of the hindu pavamana process.
 
I've got some shade dried caps, I'll try putting them in my kiln at 190 for awhile. Thanks for the tip!

I wonder if one were to smoke them, if that heat could do the same conversion, the way that THC is converted to its active form by heat from smoking or cooking...
 
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