Salvia (not divinorum)

[dithyramb]

Upon request, here is the thread to share about entheogenic sages other than divinorum, which include salvinorin a OR other known or unknown terpenes or other substances.

I have shared a lot in this thread and there has been an exchange on the nightshades thread.

I have to say, it doesn't seem like I will be exploring beyond the species absconditiflora (syn. cryptantha) and sclarea in the near future. I will share my updates on my work with the sages in this thread from now on.

It would be a delight to see if anybody else has familiarity with various sage species as teacher medicine plants.

To answer murklan's question about my experience with S. sclarea: it has been very seldom so far, and nowhere new as focussed as my study of S. absconditiflora. A boiled tea of a very large amount of flowers with their stems (apparently the stems contain the highest concentration of the essential oil) has very strong psychoactive effects, not exactly psychedelic, but an impeccable euphoria and complete erasure of all stress and worries. İt gives a very restful sleep and beautiful dreams also. I recall reading a study stating that this species' stimulation of the dopamine receptors is exceptionally powerful. Just the smell of the flowers is enough to feel this power. I'd bet combining it with rue would give some surprising results.

Salvia verbenaca was fully psychedelic in my explorations (see nightshades thread) We don't know what the active constituent is.

And Salvia verticillata is another beautiful and workable salvinorin a containing sage in my experience.

Please don't leave all this exploration work to me, folks! :⁠-⁠)

 

[Transform]

I'll add a short story from more moons ago than I'd care to recall: having seen the caution against combining S. sclarea oil and alcohol, it was obvious what my friend, 'S', and I should be doing after a couple of beers and a few spliffs. I boiled a pan of water, made the living room cosy, and then dumped the contents of a 10mL bottle of clary sage oil into the hot water. It's a bit hard to recall what actually happened, not least because this happened the best part of thirty years ago. We were heavily incapacitated for a time, but it did indeed seem decidedly soothing.

I've had some pleasant effects after chewing a few Salvia nemorosa leaves as well - that produced some floral CEVs about a couple of hours in.

 

[Volshebnik]

I thought that I wrote more info in my book but at least small contribution.

Few leaves of S. Glutinosa, few little flowers from tagetes erecta (like big flower made from many smaller ones), few leaves coleus blumei, around 10 leaves S. Microphylla. Rolled together in cigarete like shape, cut in half and each half inside cheeks.

First I thought I saw big concrete ball but it was just the play of shapes of a chair and wall behind it. Than I thought I saw a whit cat but actually it was a bucket. That was first 10 minutes. Not really psychoactive I would ascribe all this to placebo..

But than I wrote following
After around 25 minutes feeling of power, euphoria and aggression. I turned into a wolf for a minute.

Basically power/euphoria/aggression culminated in me into turning into a wolf and started growling at things, walking like a wolf etc. And it wasn't very controllable for me because I remember I tried to stop so my neighbors don't see me in may garden behaving like a lunatic. Manged to stop once or twice but quickly something made me go on all four again, growl etc.

Idk what all of that was

With coleus had few experiences. Just a bit weird, dreams more interesting etc. In book I wrote it says that leaves seem to be inactive in moring, and more active at night. Also had a theory that maybe flowers are stronger and tried them around 20 of them chewed about 10 minutes. Set down on couch and closed my eyes to check for cev, images of red and green strings going around. Fell asleep, weird dreams.

Included coleus because I think they finally found salvinorin in it if I remember correctly

Also if I find where I wrote about coleus spirit that it seems like a small weird child which likes to watch people from the bushes with its unusualy big eyes
That day tried S. Splendens flowers and it's definitely sedative

 

[dithyramb]

@Transform, according to one study, Salvia nemorosa has salvinorin b, among other things. And sclarea definitely calls for more exploration .

@Volshebnik, that's quite a mixture you ingested; it's not surprising you had such a crazy experience.

S. glutinosa and S. nemorosa are also on my radar, thanks for reminding! As for the other species mentioned I will need to do some researching.

Coleus is a cousin of Salvia, so I guess it's part of this discussion.

Thanks for sharing, folks!

 

[trncefigurate_aomn]

If you have already, or could find enough small glass jars, i would recommend placing various kinds of dried sage leaves and flowers ( either distinctly or together in any combination ) in some of them, and!! also do someday please try placing dry phragmites leaves together with some of them. the aromas and fragrances are fascinating, and phragmites seems to blend especially well with other unique scents!!

Dried lichens in small jars are wonderful too!! As long as your gathered plant material is completely dry, from my studies, once it is completely dry, everything does stay preserved in small jars even when opening them frequently. the fragrantness neither decreases nor becomes exaggerated.

Everything continues to be available for eating or drinking but, resting in the jars, you can always breathe and smell too!! a similar phenomenon to the cheek smoking you describe today!!

 

[Volshebnik]

@dithyramb here is the link of the study

The influence of cultivation conditions on the formation of psychoactive salvinorin A, salvinorin B, rosmarinic acid and caffeic acid in Coleus scutellarioides - Scientific Reports

Coleus scutellarioides (L.) Benth. is a popular species in the world, known for its characteristic magnificent colourful leaves. The study has revealed that the contents of rosmarinic acid and caffeic acid are significantly higher in the plant tissues cultivated in vivo than when under in vitro...

www.nature.com

C. scutellarioides synonyms with blumei

About 6ug salvinorin a and 60 salvinorin b

At least we know now that there is definitely something in coleus because for years people were arguing about it's psychoactivity.

Also I can't remember which member experimented with its leaves in vodka, but just small amount of the drink made him phase in and out of reality or whatever. It sounded pretty strong

@trncefigurate_aomn
If you open jars will they loose scent? Can it be used so that whole room smells? Or do you just open them ocassionaly?