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amount of ingredients for 3-4 person ayahuasca brew?

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Swim is about to start gathering the ingredients for his and 2 friends first ayahuasca experience. SWIM and his 2 friends are experienced in hallucinogens but not Ayahuasca. What do you guys think would be a good amount of the ingredients to start with? Also do you think doing it at their place would be a good idea, or would going out to the nearby national forest and camping be a better idea? They are looking to have enough for about 3 people, with some extra incase one or 2 purge too early, or they somehow make a less potent brew, since it will be the first time making it for them.
 
How can you even think of giving other people this medicine before even trying it on yourself??
What would you do if things got a bit hairy and you/they arent able to help? Seriously dude, start low, on yourself only and get to feel what aya has to offer.

Get to know the plant you plan on using and then if you feel comfortable with them, maybe share. I researched DMT for years before using it, and even now im aprehensive to introduce other people.

I must also say that it sounds like you guys just want to get high, I might be wrong but thats just the way its coming across.
 
Ayahuasca, brewed properly, is potent and peerless.

I have been drinking alone, regularly and for quite some time, and compiled the basics of what I found in a stickied thread in the Aya forum.

Respect, setting, and intention can and do color an experience greatly.

Ayahuasca can take you to the darkest recesses of your mind. For example, do you want to be responsible for someone if they suddenly find themselves reliving a trauma from early childhood? This is not to frighten you, but it is to make you aware of the EXTREMELY IMPORTANT presence of good intentions and responsibility.

Can you stay calm and be a good sitter? What if your friend did not prepare as well as you, panics and thinks he is dying? What if he begs you to call 911 because the medicine is so strong and won't stop? Are you prepared to guide him through that?

Do you know how to avoid serotonin syndrome, and that it is a very real risk with this medicine, and fatal?

Mushrooms can be wonderful to eat with friends and go exploring. Ayahuasca is a cold assessment of your reality, like going to an IMAX to meet the Ghost of Christmas future (to see all the things in your life, AND YOUR WORLD--think of war, think of the environment, think of injustice and suffering on a global scale) to be told what you MUST change NOW.

If trees could talk, are you prepared to hear what they might say?

Ayahuasca has the power to command your body like a marionette. You could be reduced to sitting on all fours and vomiting a sour bile for eight hours, too incapacitated to make it to a toilet alone.

Ayahuasca is very serious.

The entrance fee is steep, she demands utmost respect. But if you come with the heart of a child, approach her sincerely and respectfully, the rewards will be infinite.

Please consider the depth of the responsibility and intensity of the experience.

Ayahuasca saved my life, and I have nothing but the deepest respect and gratitude for her. Her healing power, IMHO, is bar none. I have been granted a second chance at life. Every time we meet it is a blessing. It hasn't always been easy, but always beautiful.

Inner Paths to Outer Space is a book I would highly recommend, it details many important things about the general experience and notes about setting.
 
SWIM and his friends have been looking into trying this together for 2 years now, they have all researched it a lot, SWIM just wanted to get your thoughts on the right amount of ingredients for the 3 people doing it for the first time. I don't understand what the problem is? They just want to try it together and there will be another person or two there with them anyway not on it. SWIM doesn't know anyone that has done it to come with them, so it's either gotta be them doing it for the first time together or alone separately, or them not doing it at all because of that. They are just ready to finally try Ayahuasca, it's calling their names.
 
The problem is that as minxx rightly asked, are you prepared for if one of you go through a rough time? Its no "fun" time I promise, the rewards are huge, but for you to be asking these questions tells me you arent ready for a group setting.

2 years of research, maybe you could let us know what you were thinking of brewing? and how much of it?
 
gammagore said:
The problem is that as minxx rightly asked, are you prepared for if one of you go through a rough time? Its no "fun" time I promise, the rewards are huge, but for you to be asking these questions tells me you arent ready for a group setting.

2 years of research, maybe you could let us know what you were thinking of brewing? and how much of it?
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Things happen man regardless if you are the most prepared person in the world for something or not, and you have absolutely no idea what I'm ready for or not, I appreciate the concern, but concern is not what my question was relating to. As I said we have all researched it extensively. And you ask me what amount and what we were thinking about brewing when that was the original question I asked in the first place man.
 
OK, so here is what id do in this situation, brew up 2 doses per person, some people need more some less, so a good amount would be 200-250gr caapi bark. Split that up into 3 portions, 1 for each of you. So each person will end up with say about 65-75gr caapi tea. Sip a third of it, and if one feels like sipping on more do so over a period of say 1.5hrs. Remember, effects have been reported from as little as 20gr. Take it slow.

If anyone is feeling up to it, they could maybe vape some DMT/Changa to add some spice to the journey. Assuming they are familiar with DMT.

PS: I still think its a bad idea to be brewing up Aya and handing this medicine out to people before you are aquainted with her.
 
gammagore said:
OK, so here is what id do in this situation, brew up 2 doses per person, some people need more some less, so a good amount would be 200-250gr caapi bark. Split that up into 3 portions, 1 for each of you. So each person will end up with say about 65-75gr caapi tea. Sip a third of it, and if one feels like sipping on more do so over a period of say 1.5hrs. Remember, effects have been reported from as little as 20gr. Take it slow.

If anyone is feeling up to it, they could maybe vape some DMT/Changa to add some spice to the journey. Assuming they are familiar with DMT.

PS: I still think its a bad idea to be brewing up Aya and handing this medicine out to people before you are aquainted with her.
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Thanks, SWIM will let you guys know how it turns out in a couple weeks.
 
The best thing to do is listen to your body. Some people feel lightheaded, some people feel cold, some people feel a warmth in the chest immediately after drinking. Basically, when you ingest a sufficient amount of Caapi for it to be active, you will feel SOMETHING as soon as you drink it. Definitely not fullblown hallucinations--those will come later--but there should be some kind of sign of, "Hey! I'm here!"

Dosage and tolerance varies SO WIDELY, it's impossible to pin down numbers, but best to cook more and take a booster than to not have cooked enough.

Finally, I also compiled a thread in the Ayahuasca forum entitled "All About Aya." This also covers some of the basics about set and setting, it might be good to peruse as a mental checklist to see if there is anything about preparation that you may have overlooked!

Best wishes and blessings. Please be safe, and trust in the medicine to guide you. :)

And do report back!
 
ms_manic_minxx said:
The best thing to do is listen to your body. Some people feel lightheaded, some people feel cold, some people feel a warmth in the chest immediately after drinking. Basically, when you ingest a sufficient amount of Caapi for it to be active, you will feel SOMETHING as soon as you drink it. Definitely not fullblown hallucinations--those will come later--but there should be some kind of sign of, "Hey! I'm here!"

Dosage and tolerance varies SO WIDELY, it's impossible to pin down numbers, but best to cook more and take a booster than to not have cooked enough.

Finally, I also compiled a thread in the Ayahuasca forum entitled "All About Aya." This also covers some of the basics about set and setting, it might be good to peruse as a mental checklist to see if there is anything about preparation that you may have overlooked!

Best wishes and blessings. Please be safe, and trust in the medicine to guide you. :)

And do report back!
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Yeah I really enjoyed that thread.
 
I find 50 grams of caapi and 50 grams of chacruna to be a good experience. Note that (as previously stated) chacruna potency varies to an extreme degree and that caapi potency also varies. Higher dosages of caapi is recommended by many, but personally I feel it is unwise to take more than 50g if you don't already know the potency. Very high doses of caapi is not a walk in the park.

Not that Ayahuasca is at all a walk in the park, but high doses of the vine can be literally earth-shattering in an extremely uncomfortable way. These experiences tend to be very healing, but for a first time experience I advice you to don't take it that far. With some individuals and some caapi samples 50g may actually be a very high dose, you don't want to go further than that. Personally I like white caapi the best, but you should read up on the different varieties in company with your traveling friends and pick the one you feel resonates with what you want to experience.

I share the concerns of the other people that has posted here, but I will let you and your friends decide for yourself. It is your own bodies and minds. Take note that what we - who in this context are the people that is experienced with this medicine - has said is only intended as kind and loving advice. Don't take it lightly.

Safe travels! :)
 
Very high doses of caapi is not a walk in the park.
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It's more of a, "fall over and gaze in awe at the trees in the park... and then puke on yourself." 😉

Just remember to match your DMT dose in terms of moderation--don't mix a heroic dose of admixture with a light dose of Caapi. The result is an ungrounded journey that can be rough and chaotic.
 
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