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Another Hybrid-hybrid Tek Success....

Alev-Kev

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Hey Fam, back with another extract and a step by step with pics...
Hybrid-hybrid Tek
1. Boil purified water
2. Add ground bark, reduce heat (this is 200g mimosa)
3. Simmer until oatmeal consistency
4. Allow to cool then into °4 F
freezer
5. Thaw and bring to simmer, again, adding 100ml purified water
6. Reduce, cool and Freeze a 2nd time
7. Reheat a 3rd time and acidify with vinegar 5%. I used 250ml for 200g mimosa with the thinking that it will dilute slightly when combined with bark soup.
8. Bring 200ml water to simmer in another pan. Add 50g non-iodized salt.
9. When mostly dissolved, combine with bark soup.
10. In a pre-cooled (stuck in freezer for 30 min) glass mixing bowl put 200ml purified water and slowly, while stirring, add 150g NaOH until it starts to clear from white to opaque.
11. Decant bark soup into pulling jar. Add NaOH solution, seal, and lightly turn jar over n over. If extremely hot, "burp" jar to release pressure and heat.
12. When the exothermic reaction slows down and is not producing more heat, Add solvent for pulling. Allow to mix and separate several times.
13. Use pipette, baster, or syringe to suck up separated solvent. If some black comes with it, don't panic. Be as careful as you can, but if you get a few drops of black in there you can clarify it before freezing.
14. Add more solvent after and repeat 13 for 2 plus times.
15. Combine pulls into one, place in hot pan of water and gently swirl. All the black will congeal together and you can gently pour into your freezing pan, stopping before the black gets out.
16. Allow pulls to reach room temp, cover pan and place in freezer to precipitate.
17. Gently pour solvent off top of pan into a catch jar. Put pan in front of small fan, standing up in side, to dry.
18. VIOLÁ the Magic needs to be scraped and totaled.
 

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nice.
Could you elaborate on the yellow vs. white crystals (last 3 pictures)? Is it two distinct pans, or latter recrystallized? thx!
 
nice.
Could you elaborate on the yellow vs. white crystals (last 3 pictures)? Is it two distinct pans, or latter recrystallized? thx!
Sure thing, bud... The yellow pan is the frozen pan BEFORE pouring off solvent. That is RECYCLED solvent, too, so that's why it's yellow. I use the same nap for 3-4 extractions before cleaning it up with ice cold water, allowing separation, then siphoning off the cleaner solvent n dumping the water. You can REALLY clean it up with sodium carbonate... baking soda left on a cookie pan and baked at 150° F for 15-25 min. Add to dirty, shake vigously a few times then allow to settle and siphon cleaner solvent out.
Soooo, short story long- the yellow pan hadn't been dumped yet. ITS THE SAME PAN THOUGH!
 
Update: 1st pan with 2 pulls yielded 3.10 g of light canary fluffiness...
 

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Sure thing, bud... The yellow pan is the frozen pan BEFORE pouring off solvent. That is RECYCLED solvent, too, so that's why it's yellow. I use the same nap for 3-4 extractions before cleaning it up with ice cold water, allowing separation, then siphoning off the cleaner solvent n dumping the water. You can REALLY clean it up with sodium carbonate... baking soda left on a cookie pan and baked at 150° F for 15-25 min. Add to dirty, shake vigously a few times then allow to settle and siphon cleaner solvent out.
Soooo, short story long- the yellow pan hadn't been dumped yet. ITS THE SAME PAN THOUGH!
Ok, thanks for the information.
Btw. what is the effect of NaHCO3 / Na2CO3 (actually in water we have an equilibrium anyways)?
I cleaned the NPS directly after the pulls, before precipitation. The tek had NaHCO3 in the first of three mix/shape/separate cycles. It explaine much, but not the special role of NaHCO3.

In my case, the MHRB liquid (so the basified black fraction) is a bit like oil and was wetting the walls of the separation funnel. I therefore dediced to:
- let the aqueous fraction slowly flow out of the separation funnel
- pipetting the NPS from top into a glass
- clean the funnel after the pulls
- ad the NPS into the clean funnel and wash it
This required much less washing compared to washing directly in the funnel, as the rest of the black stuff on the walls is more than one might think.

Will you make a second round of pulls? For me the yield was even larger due to 1st round needed to saturate the NPS i guess, but still with your NPS it might be worth to try.
 
Yes, I do 4 pulls on almost every batch. When I've precip'd these separately the 4th pull is ALWAYS next to nothing. The bark pukes out its goodies in 3 pulls, like clockwork, but I do a 4th just in case... don't want to be wasteful. Lol
 
Ok, thanks for the information.
Btw. what is the effect of NaHCO3 / Na2CO3 (actually in water we have an equilibrium anyways)?
I cleaned the NPS directly after the pulls, before precipitation. The tek had NaHCO3 in the first of three mix/shape/separate cycles. It explaine much, but not the special role of NaHCO3.

In my case, the MHRB liquid (so the basified black fraction) is a bit like oil and was wetting the walls of the separation funnel. I therefore dediced to:
- let the aqueous fraction slowly flow out of the separation funnel
- pipetting the NPS from top into a glass
- clean the funnel after the pulls
- ad the NPS into the clean funnel and wash it
This required much less washing compared to washing directly in the funnel, as the rest of the black stuff on the walls is more than one might think.

Will you make a second round of pulls? For me the yield was even larger due to 1st round needed to saturate the NPS i guess, but still with your NPS it might be worth to try.
Forgot to tag ya
 
Hey Alev-Kev,

Thanks for taking the time to give us this great workup. Very concise and simple, which I appreciate very much.
No problem! I love sharing knowledge and experiences. Its the only way we grow!
 
I know it doesn’t make much of a difference since we will all get down to the oatmeal eventually, but curious how much purified water you’re starting with in step 1 for 200g MHRB?


Also…What tek were you using before you started using your hybrid hybrid technique and what % were you yielding with it?
 
I know it doesn’t make much of a difference since we will all get down to the oatmeal eventually, but curious how much purified water you’re starting with in step 1 for 200g MHRB?


Also…What tek were you using before you started using your hybrid hybrid technique and what % were you yielding with it?
I did a few diff teks, A/B, Cyb's ATB... 1.5%
 
@Alev-Kev planning my next extraction and want to try your approach. Is there a reason why you add the vinegar in step 7 and do not start with acidic solution?
and step8: it should be possible to dissolve 74g in 200ml of water. Is there a reason why you use 50g?
 
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Step 10: ist it really 150g NaOH (in 200ml water)? Not 15g?

A quick estimate shows we need ~8-9g of NaOH to compemsate the vinegar. And 0.4 -1g / l to bring the possibly buffered soup to pH 12; assuming 500ml this would need 1g at max.
So in total 10g could be enough or not?
 
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