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Antibiotic Properties of Harmalas in Caapi/Syrian Rue

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"Physician, heal thyself" - Luke 4:23, attributed to Jesus, but probably a common saying amongst the Jews of the time period...

I've recently been experimenting with using the Syrian Rue seeds, as well as a mild tea made from sky Caapi vine, to rid myself of bacterial ailments from food poisoning, ground water (giardia?), and other sources. (due to life circumstances I've been exposed to bacteria I'm not used to, from a genetic standpoint). The results have been no short of astounding - I find these are miracle medicines that very quickly have cured everything to which I've been exposed. They feel very gentle on the body, unlike some of the industrial-strength antibiotics which I've been prescribed (which may have their uses on certain strong bacteria as well). The amount of Syrian Rue seeds I use (approximately 1 teaspoon) also has a gentle but noticeable mental effect - I feel clear minded and in a positive mood, as if serotonin is being released.

A quick google search shows that biologists have confirmed the antibacterial properties of harmine and other harmala alkaloids. I want to bring this up since much of the discussion regarding the uses of the seeds and the vine focuses on their "spiritual" or psychotropic (or textile-dying) properties. They clearly have concrete, measurable, physical benefits as well. Thank "the gods" or DNA for these life-giving medicines.
 
More information, in the form of an abstract from a 2008 paper in Phytotherapy Research:

"In the present study the antimicrobial potential of various extracts from 12 medicinal plants has been investigated in vitro on multiple antibiotic resistant pathogens and some selected protozoa isolated from poultry. The initial examination was performed on E. coli (n = 10) using disc and agar well diffusion assays. Only two plants, Peganum harmala (seeds) and Eucalyptus globulus (leaves) showed positive responses...Only Peganum harmala was found to inhibit the growth of all bacteria and protozoa at 0.38–1.55 mg/mL and 0.63–1.65 mg/mL, respectively...Harmaline was found to be in the highest concentration followed by harmine and harmalol, whereas harmane could not be detected. The activity of the pure alkaloids was in the order harmane > harmaline > harmalol ≥ harmine for all bacteria, while for protozoa, it was different depending on the microorganism. It is concluded that Peganum harmala or its alkaloids could probably be used for the control of antibiotic resistant isolates of bacteria as well as protozoa."

They conclude that Syrian Rue could be used against antibiotic resistant bacteria found in chickens, implying that it is in a sense more potent than the antibiotics typically used for bacterial control.

I'm curious if anyone on here as experience/anecdotes about the applications of Syrian Rue/Caapi as antibacterial medicines. Cat's Claw/Uña de gato is another plant that may have applications in this area.
 
Hyperdimensional Cuttlefish said:
Yep. Using a harmala nose spray every day seems to have cut down on my susceptibility to colds/flu this season as well.
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Oh wow, a harmala nose spray. Is this something you made yourself, or procured pre-made from a supplier?
 
This is friggin' awesome. This knowledge should be SO much more widespread than it is. Pharmaceutical antibiotics need to be a thing of the past, for the most part.

My question is, though, are harmalas non-discriminatory antibiotics? Or do they preserve the good bacteria, somehow? I'm worried about eliminating my intestinal flora with frequent use of Syrian Rue...
 
My question is, though, are harmalas non-discriminatory antibiotics?
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That's doubtful. Many keys and locks are involved in antibiotic activity, and no single phyto-compound could kill everything. Nature prefers synergy to magic bullets. Besides, the legendary good health of the curanderos suggests their GI tracts are just fine.

If you're still concerned, look into kombucha. Have been brewing over a year now and never felt so good, with zero infections to boot.
 
In Afghanistan, syrian rue is used not only as a sacramental incense, but also as a panacea against various ailments. On a holiday I once greatly delighted a friend of afghani origin living in Iceland by bringing some bags of "Esphand", which I easily bought in an asian store in my home town, but which is unobtainable in Icelandic shops. This person was completely unaware of the other uses of syrian rue and its related online availability in certain webshops.

In conversation, I learned that the traditional therapeutic dose is far lower than what is employed typically for entheogenic purposes. One teaspoon or less, daily, in case of malady.
 
pitubo said:
In conversation, I learned that the traditional therapeutic dose is far lower than what is employed typically for entheogenic purposes. One teaspoon or less, daily, in case of malady.
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You mean, "Whoever drinks the ḥarmal for forty mornings every day in a certain measure, his heart shall be illuminated by wisdom, and he shall be cured from seventy-two maladies the least which is leprosy"?
 
RhythmSpring said:
pitubo said:
In conversation, I learned that the traditional therapeutic dose is far lower than what is employed typically for entheogenic purposes. One teaspoon or less, daily, in case of malady.
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You mean, "Whoever drinks the ḥarmal for forty mornings every day in a certain measure, his heart shall be illuminated by wisdom, and he shall be cured from seventy-two maladies the least which is leprosy"?
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Any personal experience with a 40 day dosing? Do tell.
 
From the file attached:
...One of other important features of P. harmala alkaloids is their
bactericidal activity that is comparable with that of common
antibiotics,...
...It is concluded that P. harmala and its alkaloids could probably be
used for the control of antibiotic resistant isolates of bacteria.
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Very interesting thread, maybe another tool in my box for my ongoing battle with Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth, as I refuse to have to consume pharmaceutical antibiotics on a regular basis. Kombucha interests me too, but the alcohol content worries me a bit, even though it is minimal. Nattō is a Japanese fermented food which is another option, it's fermented with bacillus subtilis which is a proven probiotic.
 
It's incredible how underrated harmalas are. The psychological/medicinal benefits are looking pretty vast. There's a significant amount of studies on them so far.

Spiritofspice said:
Rue tea made with 4g of seeds will cure a tooth infection in a day or two.

Do any of you guys that regularly dose with rue notice sore kidneys in the first few days.
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Nope

FiniteFox said:
RhythmSpring said:
pitubo said:
In conversation, I learned that the traditional therapeutic dose is far lower than what is employed typically for entheogenic purposes. One teaspoon or less, daily, in case of malady.
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You mean, "Whoever drinks the ḥarmal for forty mornings every day in a certain measure, his heart shall be illuminated by wisdom, and he shall be cured from seventy-two maladies the least which is leprosy"?
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Any personal experience with a 40 day dosing? Do tell.
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Others and myself here took either rue, caapi, or freebase harmalas daily for a very long time, usually in active doses. I wasn't fighting any kind of known ailment, but it definitely felt amazing and the psychological effects became very interesting. I did use caapi once after some food poisoning and that seemed to help a lot.

Here's another thread on this quote from Mohammad Harmala in the Hadith of the Prophet Mohammad - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
 
I still wanna know if I'm putting my gut microbiome in or out of balance by taking harmalas/ayahuasca frequently.

It has made me extra sensitive to anything remotely fermentable. NO beans, and not even raw lettuce--that somehow makes me bloat and gives me terrible (TERRIBLE) gas.

I can swallow probiotics, but they are a temporary solution--they don't "stick."
I can't take fermented foods, as the littlest bit will interact negatively with the Ayahuasca healing process I'm doing and give me gas and pain. I used to be able to take them, but now, no.

I'm at a loss of what to do. I swear, once the weather gets warmer I'm gonna roll around in the dirt and eat it.
 
That's strange because I eat a lot of fermented foods like kimchi and raw greens, but I haven't had any issues with harmalas/caapi/rue. So when you take fermented foods on their own, you don't have any of those issues? What if you wait a day between them?
 
Without the harmalas/Ayahuasca, it's not as bad, but it's still pretty gas-tastic, an unusual amount of it.

It's weird, because about 4 years ago, I started eating raw fermented foods and it had a FANTASTIC effect on my digestion. Then, I took a break for about a year. When I got back to it, though, I just couldn't handle it. I don't know what changed... I didn't take antibiotics or anything.

I did go to Peru, though. Hmmm.
 
RhythmSpring said:
Without the harmalas/Ayahuasca, it's not as bad, but it's still pretty gas-tastic, an unusual amount of it.

I did go to Peru, though. Hmmm.
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I am currently struggling with gas problems. It's strange how it comes in phases. I can be fine for weeks or months, but then if I throw something out of balance it comes back.

Sorry to derail the thread a bit....It could be that the harmalas and Ayahuasca (EDIT: If ayahuasca is brewed without acid it will have a higher ph) are raising the ph of your stomach and the food taken after does not get broken down sufficiently. If there is not enough hcl acid produced in the stomach, then the proper digestive enzymes will not be activated and the food will be left undigested. When undigested food makes its way down into the colon, it is then digested/fermented by bacteria there and causes gas. This can be a problem if the bacteria slowly make their way up into the small intestine. This is a very difficult complex problem to solve, and requires a delicate balance. I recently threw mine out of balance after weeks of perfect digestion. I took too much magnesium over the course of a a few days which had a laxative effect making the food pass too quickly through my intestines...now i'm paying for it, every 15 minutes, nearly all day and night...lol :oops:
 
Synkromystic said:
...(If ayahuasca is brewed with acid it will have a higher ph) are raising the ph of your stomach and the food taken after does not get broken down sufficiently...
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:roll: a little brain lapse there: all acids are lower than pH 7, so they won't neutralize stomach acid.
The colon bacteria spectrum, as you say, might indeed be key here.
 
Jees said:
Synkromystic said:
...(If ayahuasca is brewed with acid it will have a higher ph) are raising the ph of your stomach and the food taken after does not get broken down sufficiently...
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:roll: a little brain lapse there: all acids are lower than pH 7, so they won't neutralize stomach acid.
The colon bacteria spectrum, as you say, might indeed be key here.
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I meant ''without''. It was a typo
 
Ayahuasca seems to *improve* my digestion of everything else quite dramatically. Well, at least protein. Increased intestinal motility up the wazzu!
 
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