Any advice first batch by myself

[Kez]

Hi just wanted to make sure Swim have everything correct for when there delivery comes
Swim is going to use 300 grams of bark with 3 litres of distilled water add 300grams rock salt 300ml white vinager mix and leave to settle for a hour
Then add 300 grams lye heat mix and shake several times then add 300ml of naphtha mix shake heat allow yo settle again then pull clear liquid for top put in glass Pyrex cover and place in freezer for a few days

This has been the recipe Swim have been using helping a friend when they have taught is this correct and any advice or suggestions
Many thanks in advance

 

[Voidmatrix]

How have these amounts been calculated? There seems to be too little water and too much lie. The salt seems a bit much too.

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[Kez]

I’m sorry edit it will be 4.5 litres of water
Would u also suggest adding less salt

Basic recipe Swim has gone by is
1.5 l water
100g mimosa
100g salt might alter to 80g
100ml vinager
100g lye
100ml naphta

Changing with quantity but same ratio

 

[downwardsfromzero]

The recipes don't scale like that. Follow the recipe with 100g bark and do three separate extractions. Stirring a whole gallon of basic soup is unwieldy and there is a much greater risk of spillage and/or mishap. Plus, if you mess it up it's better to lose only a third of your bark.

If you do three extractions and freeze precipitate from the naphtha, the naphtha from the first extraction can be re-used for extractions two and three. The advantage with that is that the naphtha is already pre-loaded with the small amount of DMT left in there after the first freeze precip. This improves the yields on the second and third extractions.

 

[Voidmatrix]

The recipes don't scale like that. Follow the recipe with 100g bark and do three separate extractions. Stirring a whole gallon of basic soup is unwieldy and there is a much greater risk of spillage and/or mishap. Plus, if you mess it up it's better to lose only a third of your bark.

If you do three extractions and freeze precipitate from the naphtha, the naphtha from the first extraction can be re-used for extractions two and three. The advantage with that is that the naphtha is already pre-loaded with the small amount of DMT left in there after the first freeze precip. This improves the yields on the second and third extractions.

I feel like even the recipe is off, though. Don't you? It's only giving us the total amount (presumably) of each material. I mean the salt seems right, now. And I can't say off of the top of my head whether 100ml of vinegar will sufficiently reduce the PH of 1500ml of water. Couldn't less lye be used? And 100ml of naphtha isn't sufficient for retrieving all the DMT in the soup.

Kez, examine some of these teks to get a better feel for your overall process. We just want you safe, efficient, and effective so you can get down to journeying

One love

 

[Kez]

I have to say I know I should look up but I can’t it annoys me I have asspergers eupd adhd and mania and looking on my phone is frustrating that has what has worked helping and learning from a friend from 100g of bark first pull was 1.04 g second about .3 and wasn’t there for 3rd can you just educate me on correct ratio using technique I’m using tbh it’s working what I said but I know I can do better

 

[Kez]

I learn from doing it’s hard for me to learn from technical explanations unless it’s simple like with pics

 

[potnoble]

Hello kez

The extraction teks are very simple. Even i can understand em and i have no brain.
You should definetly check them out because there are some things that can be
dangerous. You need safety equipment when using lye for example.
Just do your own research. If you can´t, ask your friend to help you.

Have a gud one and be careful :thumb_up:

Dyoode i just read your questionaire. Do some research!!! Not only is it fun but it
might open up different ways of dealing with your conditions.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I learn from doing it’s hard for me to learn from technical explanations unless it’s simple like with pics

Things like chemical safety and toxicology are best learnt BEFORE doing.

I feel like even the recipe is off, though. Don't you? It's only giving us the total amount (presumably) of each material. I mean the salt seems right, now. And I can't say off of the top of my head whether 100ml of vinegar will sufficiently reduce the PH of 1500ml of water. Couldn't less lye be used? And 100ml of naphtha isn't sufficient for retrieving all the DMT in the soup.

Yes, way too much caustic soda (as lye is called in the UK) and not enough naphtha. And nowhere near enough background research.

Kez, please force yourself to read through the teks that Voidmatrix suggests. You can do it. Some of them will even have pictorials. Years of effort have gone into making this information available for people.

The one you're trying to emulate is known as Cyb's Max Ion tek.

 

[Seeingisbelieving]

Hey kez. You should listen to all these kind people trying to give advice. I am on the autism spectrum as well and have an easy enough time following directions.

My preferred way of extracting is the Lazy man tek and Nomans tek.

If you continue to have problems I would advise you to check out the r/dmt sub reddit. They have pictorials up for ignorant folk such as yourself.

 

[Voidmatrix]

I learn from doing it’s hard for me to learn from technical explanations unless it’s simple like with pics

Things like chemical safety and toxicology are best learnt BEFORE doing.

I feel like even the recipe is off, though. Don't you? It's only giving us the total amount (presumably) of each material. I mean the salt seems right, now. And I can't say off of the top of my head whether 100ml of vinegar will sufficiently reduce the PH of 1500ml of water. Couldn't less lye be used? And 100ml of naphtha isn't sufficient for retrieving all the DMT in the soup.

Yes, way too much caustic soda (as lye is called in the UK) and not enough naphtha. And nowhere near enough background research.

Kez, please force yourself to read through the teks that Voidmatrix suggests. You can do it. Some of them will even have pictorials. Years of effort have gone into making this information available for people.

The one you're trying to emulate is known as Cyb's Max Ion tek.

Not sure Kez will be able to open that tek. On the wiki page, there'sa lock next to that link.

Kez, for the moment, I'd forgo trying to triple your starting bark material. If it'syour first time performing an extraction on your own, just start with 50-100g. Mistakes can happen that can ruin a whole extraction, ie, you don't want to inadvertently waste more than you need to.

If I had more time today I'd detail the process for you. I unfortunately don't have a lot of spare time this week.

One love

 

[Seeingisbelieving]

Step 1: Gather Starting materials.
50 grams of lye
50 grams of bark
750 ml of water.
freezer safe Pyrex dish with tight sealing lid
large erlenmeyer borosillicate flask.
glass syringe, pipette, or turkey baster to perform pulls
Saftey Goggles and chemical resistant gloves( LYE will blind you if you get in your eyes and will burn right through your skin if it touches you)
50 ml naphtha
Cold freezer
box fan

WEAR SAFETY PROTECTION AT ALL TIMES!!!! goggles and gloves are necessary!!!!!!!!!!!
Step 1: Pour 750 ml water into flask

Step 2: Pour 50 grams of bark into water

Step 4: Slowly and carefully, just a bit at a time, pour the lye into water (the solution will get hot be careful)

Step 5: I let the solution cool down then I put a cap on the flask, after making sure I'm safe (goggles on and gloved hand over the cap to ensure it doesn't come off) I will gently mix the solution like I'm rocking a baby

Step 6: Wait until flask has returned to a normal temp (I wait around 1 hour) then I slowly and carefully pour my naphtha into flask.

Step 7: I put the cap back on (safety first) and begin rocking my flask like a baby once again

Step 8: I usually let the solution sit for a few hours to let the naphtha separate from the lye solution.

Step 9: I use my turkey baster, pipette or syringe to slowly extract ONLY the naphtha layer into the pyrex dish. NOTE: You can decant into a separate glass vessel to ensure you don't get any of the lye soup in your final product

Step 10: Put the lid on your pyrex container and stick that baby in the freezer on the coldest setting for a day or so.

Step 11: I remove the pyrex from the freezer and immediately pour the naphtha back into the base solution, I set the pan with crystals in front of a fan by my open back door for a few hours.

Step 12: scrape up those crystals

Step 13: repeat step 7 through 12 three more times.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Thank you so much SiB. I really wanted to map it out for them, but am busy.

And, psst, you have 6. twice

One love

 

[Kez]

Seeing I’m believing love my bro that same recipie I got but u just confirmed and thanks for ur explanation im going to do a 200g bark pull in by 5 litre jar when delivery gets her I’ll upload pics let everyone no how it goes xxxxx

 

[shroombee]

If I'm using heptane, can I pour it directly into the hot lye solution so the heptane heats up and thus has higher solubility for DMT?

 

[Dirty T]

I have personally started using this formula -
**ALWAYS WEAR SAFETY GLASSES, GLOVES AND A MASK WHEN WORKING WITH LYE!!**
50 grams MHRB shredded bark (run through ninja blender on Puree for 1 minute then coffe grinder until it becomes pink pencil shavings and dust)
750 ml distilled water
50g NaoH (Lye)
Add lye to water in 1 quart mason jar and stir until fully dissolved
Add root bark and shake the living out of it
Let sit for 24 hours
Add 50ml Naptha and shake the living out of it (an emulsion will form, we want this, it will settle in less than 5 minutes. If it doesn't settle a mistake has been made in the initial steps particularly in weight or volumetric measurements or both)
Pull Naptha using glass pipettes and place in glass tray and freeze precipate for at least 4 hours.

1st pull using this method produced approximately 500mg per 50g jar extracted. Second pull extracted nearly the same amount. I have only done 2 pulls so far but this method is the easiest I have found and is producing better than the Layman's Tek I originally tried. With fine enough ground MHRB I personally don't find any benefit in acid boiling as LYE alone breaks down the cell walls quickly and efficiently and defatting is not needed for MHRB when Naptha is used as the NPS.

A side note - in my experience 50grams per extraction vessel was found to be optimal. The yield % decreased as I did larger extractions with 300g being the least efficient I have tried.

My personal results - (4 pulls each, 1ml Naptha per gram dry weight feedstock material) -
50g = Approximately 1g DMT
100g= Approximately 1.25g DMT
150g= Approximately 1.5g DMT
300g= Approximately 2.25g DMT
I have an idea there is a wild inefficiency when using small amounts of Naptha to extract larger volumes. I saved all basic soup from all extractions to later be extracted again with Xylene and comparisons made. Always keep in mind when using Naptha and freeze precipation that 1mg per ml becomes 'trapped' in the Naptha which can later be backsalted using Acetic Acid (Vinegar) then re basified and extracted with a small amount of NPS to then freeze precipate

 

[Kez]

I have been using salt and vinager with bark and water but no one has including this step I have been still receiving a good trailer is this step not necessary?

 

[Voidmatrix]

I have been using salt and vinager with bark and water but no one has including this step I have been still receiving a good trailer is this step not necessary?

Dunno if you need the salt, but you're doing acid to base with using vinegar, which is fine, I do the same. Those who don't mention that step are performing straight to base extractions.

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[Dirty T]

Like Voidmatrix said we are doing straight to base which includes letting the basic soup soak for an amount of time to break down cell walls rather than Acid to Base with Acetic Acid boils to break down cell walls. The advantage of Acid to Base is that you can do a defeat step (not really needed for Mimosa Hostilis bark) although if using STB you can always purify through recrystallization which you'll likely do whether A/B or STB anyways. I prefer STB because it's less work and doesn't stink up the kitchen with an earthy pickle smell.