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any info on how to detect fraud blotters?

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caliwa

caliwa

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I went to the beach this weekend and got 5 lucy blotters for it. I was very happy of having this much lucy and when I got the first 2 sublingually, I immediatly felt it was only paper. i got scammed! so.. is there a chemicall way to test the blotters so I can figure out immediatly if they have the good lucy on them?
 
i had got that tip from endlessness before but, how is the tek for testing a blotter with out ruining it?
 
You only need a tiny bit of material to do a reagent test. When SWIM attempted to test blotter with a marquis reagent, he found that the actual paper altered the test and gave unexpected results. Eventually he had to extract the substance from the blotter using a bit of alcohol and let it evaporate on a clean piece of glass.
 
With LSD ehrlich is the appropriate reagent to use. Does marquis even react with LSD?

And yeah you're right you only need a tiny fraction of it to work. Use a bit of ethanol to extract is a good idea. Before doing the reagent test you can check for fluorescence. LSD fluoresces quite strongly under UV light. Some other substances also fluoresce under UV light, but UV shine + positive ehrlich reaction are very good indications
 
ok i get the ehrlich point but how do I use it? should I get a tip of the blotter and submerge it on the ehrlich liquid and expect it to turn to another color?
 
AlbertKLloyd said:
endlessness said:
LSD fluoresces quite strongly under UV light.
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true, this alone should be enough
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The only thing you can conclude from a UV test is that if it doesn't glow, it's not LSD.

Why ?
The ability to glow in the dark is not exclusive to LSD, substance wise plus some inks glow, some paper does too.
 
LSD is pretty distinct in how it glows, very few inks or papers are going to glow like it.

if you put a dash of water on your suspected tab and then shine UV on it almost no inks or papers will leach a fluorescent pigment into the water, LSD however will give it a glow that is blue white.

if you want a simple 'yes or no' the UV should be enough
if the material does not glow the proper color but is active i would use a reagent
if it does not glow and is not active, it is pretty clear it is bunk

only test a little tab at a time, because UV can destroy LSD
 
i agree with getting a test kit, ez test has been reliable and quite useful. the tests are not that expensive $2/test and all you need is about 1/8inx1/8in sample if its good paper..
 
AlbertKLloyd said:
LSD is pretty distinct in how it glows, very few inks or papers are going to glow like it.

if you put a dash of water on your suspected tab and then shine UV on it almost no inks or papers will leach a fluorescent pigment into the water, LSD however will give it a glow that is blue white.

if you want a simple 'yes or no' the UV should be enough
if the material does not glow the proper color but is active i would use a reagent
if it does not glow and is not active, it is pretty clear it is bunk

only test a little tab at a time, because UV can destroy LSD
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other ergine derivatives fluoresce a nearly identical hue as LSD, even cat urine is a similar color..
and the UVA emitted from a blacklight (typically ~365 nm) is more than likely not energetic enough to destroy anything. in literature, 254 nm is often cited for fluorescent characterization, and it's considerably more energetic.
 
Yes but.. How many 'fake' blotters contain other ergine derivatives?

What do the typically found 'fake' blotters contain? Is it DO-x, Bromodragonfly, as is often said? Do these substances shine on UV?

I think the european vs american market is quite different regarding LSD, in europe most analysed lsd, with few exceptions, is usually just lsd (though some very weak).

Ive just analysed one LSD with TLC that had LSD + another uv-shinning substance with a higher Rf, dont know if synth impurities or an analogue or what. Was the first time ive seen this. It was sent to GC-MS.
 
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