Gone-and-Back is more or less correct. Yes the wild grass has an unpredictable alkaloid content and thus
wild Pharlaris arundinacea is not really viable as a DMT source. Gramine is removed by extraction with a non-polar solvent so it's not really the main concern. The main concern is the plethora of other alkaloids that will be present in varying ratios and the unpredictability of those ratios. Any randomly collected wild grass may or may not have entheogenic value, this is treading unknown territory and while we do need more experimentation and reporting, it is advised to proceed very cautiously.
pitubo said:
Recently, someone claimed a 1% yield from a specific strain.
Not exactly, the
literature claims that in one specific instance Phalaris aquatica var. AQ1 was tested at over 1% DMT, the full text of that study is
here for anyone that wishes to follow up on that claim.
Cognitive Heart said:
Growing arundinacea would be ideal and by following the extraction technique seen on the analysis test indicating 33% DMT.
This comes across as a bit misleading, so please allow me to clarify. This number refers to analysis of a limonine extraction on Phalaris arundinacea var. Yugo Red. The analysis on the initial material showed it contained DMT but in very low amounts. A fairly crude extraction using room temperature limonine and salting to vinegar gave an end product that was contained about 33% DMT. To put that another way the end product was 67% other stuff an only 33% DMT after extraction. It is undoubtedly possible to clean this up and get a more pure product, but let's not let the numbers fool us, the actual DMT yield even in a specially selected and named P. arundinacea strain like this is extremely low.
slewb said:
I feel like there are literally dozens of threads full of fantastic, in-depth information and research on this very topic.
This absolutely is the case and it's very important to thoroughly read and grok all the information you can on these grasses before making the decision to pursue independent work with them. However there is a huge amount of information on Phalaris in general and much of it is very contradictory. This is why I always take the time to answer every question I see and repeat myself over and over again to try and make sure we are all on the same page and sharing the most accurate information possible on this very convoluted topic.
I hope that serves to further clarify rather than further distort the available information. :thumb_up:
