Arch angels, Jesus - anyone with experiences or encounters here?

[Shenzi]

As far as I have read all you have to do is call upon these beings (in DMT space and perhaps through astral projection) and they will respond.

It doesn't work that way.

You can try to call out, and something will happen — that's much is true. But if you imagine somebody lounging around on a cloud having a heartfelt conversation with Archangel Gabriel on the next cloud, you have entirely the wrong idea.

I certainly don't look at it that way. Have you or anyone you know, even peripherally, ever actually tried calling upon one of these beings in hyperspace or while astral projection? Because if not I don't think you can say that's the case.
I should mention that I would really rather not go the route of magick, at least anything that isn't white magic, as I am a Christian and am skeptical that that sort of thing is permissible. However, given my situation, I think it would be the better option.

There are two reasons I can't go into hyperspace myself. One I have a demon. Certainly he is not benevolent, although I should note he has the opportunity to torture me, posses me and make me feel awful things, and he doesn't. Maybe the spirits I work with are keeping him in line I don't know, he doesn't talk. Just is. He used to torture me and when these spirits came into my life he soon stopped. That might sound more positive than I think it to be. I'm pretty neutral on that. The other thing is I have OCD relating to blasphemous thoughts, thoughts that if expressed aloud would be an unforgivable sin in Christian theology according to Jesus. My mind is so intimately connected with my mouth movements that I have to used mantras to stop myself from committing this sin. I struggle to breathe, eat, walk and talk. Because I have these thoughts, I don't know if I would commit this sin on entering hyperspace myself. Otherwise I would do it myself. Maybe one of you can enlighten me on the answer to this although I don't want to talk the plunge.

This is why my time is running out and I would be better off finding a quick and powerful solution. I am seeing a healer, he did something that I could feel, felt good, to my left hand which was damaged at the time. Felt like an electric shock. So I'm not convinced he's a charlatan. But his ability to heal my OCD is not good.

 

[null24]

Hmm. Okay. Please forgive , I may be about to seriously offend you.

When you talk of sin and blasphemy, you're going too far into dogmatic territory for me. I do not believe in sin. Not that there are not egregious, immoral and unethical thoughts and actions that all humans are capable of harboring, but that those are human concepts.

While we talk at length about entity contact etc, I really don't think there is any consensus as to what they are.

Perhaps your dogma may be what's holding you back. Combining shamanic practices with fundamental Christianity may just confuse you more.

I'm not sure how to help you. My autodidactic practice has allowed me to move my life out from and beyond crippling addiction- I know these things work. But without the cultural relevance, or going in yourself ( which I am not suggesting in your spiritual state, it could be quite shattering and result in deep depression and depersonalization , just saying. ), not sure how shamanic healing would help. Your world view is vastly different from mine.

I do wish for you great peace and long life, happiness and fullflment. And send you lots of on this and the astral.

 

[travsha]

There is no such thing as white magic. Magic is magic - it doesnt have colors. If you like you can differentiate between magic that is helpful and benevolent compared to magic that is meant to harm others. BTW - the Bible is full of magicians like Moses, Solomon and Jesus (all 3 are magicians).

I thought Jesus was supposed to forgive sins right? In the gnostic gospels Jesus even kills another child when he is a child himself by pushing the other kid off of a roof! Sounds like religion is what is really causing your OCD, and no wonder with the things they teach in church.

I have a client with OCD. Similar to you where it is caused by dark thoughts he wants to repress, though he isnt religious. When we did ceremony it brought all of those dark thoughts to the forefront of his mind so that he had to face and acknowledge them. By facing each one he could let it go - a sort of purge. Not very pleasant though - he spent hours looking at these dark repressed thoughts. At the end of the day he left saying "I hope that helped, but I dont know... It was so dark and not what I expected." He called me 2 weeks later and said he had a huge decrease in OCD symptoms though. It's been about 4 months and he has only attended 2 ceremonies - he still has OCD, but the symptoms are less then what they used to be. My guess is it will take a year or two to really work out of it.

Repressing things doesnt make them go away - it always gives them more power. You have to instead acknowledge and let go, or acknowledge and express somehow. Expressing a dark thought doesnt mean you have to act on it - but maybe you can paint or write or express it through art or through talking with someone... It can help a lot. Repressing just makes things worse though.

Not sure if you have a demon or if that is a personal inner demon that you have given form to.... Either way, I think you would benefit from having a practitioner in person to work on you. They can tell you if it is a real spirit or not and they could also remove it if it is a spirit. Doing this on your own is likely to not work, and if it is a spirit you can make things worse by pissing it off.

Also - nothing about your story suggests time is running out, and telling yourself time is running out create more anxiety and makes healing harder. May be hard for you to relax with OCD but it's worth a try. Time isnt running out at all - that is just fear talking. Just because you had a dark thought doesnt mean you would act on it and it doesnt make you a bad person - everybody has dark thoughts they dont act on. But best to understand them instead of repressing them.

 

[Shenzi]

No, you didn't offend me, quite the contrary, you seem like a lovely person. However, if I know of evidence that Jesus is real then I should take his words seriously. It would be nigh on impossible for me to take away the beliefs that cause my fear and hence my OCD. And if I took away that belief I would have little to hope upon for my life. However, the truth is more important to me than holding any certain belief. I don't want to talk about the reality of the spirits. I feel people here get a bit caught up on that a lot kid themselves into thinking nothing is happening. This is nitty gritty reality for me I'm afraid, based on three years of hard experience. These are definitely real. I actually think it's a bit ridiculous that we have these discussions of, is this real, here. Sorry if that offends anyone. I'm the most un-dogmatic person, let alone Christian, that I know. I'm surprised you seem to think that the concept of sin is dogmatic. An eternal sin will sound unreasonable to some I will admit.

I didn't become a Christian in the way that most people do, inheriting it from their parents. I became one after extensive reading here on the nexus, over two years ago. I had been attacked by this demon and so I looked for help. This place seems like once of the best resources IMO, although you have to separate the experience from people's beliefs about it.

Yes certainly without my beliefs I wouldn't have this my OCD, I have often remarked on how ironic it is that of Jesus hadn't said anything about it I wouldn't have had this problem. But it should be accepted that this cannot be changed without serious miraculous power. I have read that psychedelics help with OCD, however, I have a demon so I can't take any and expect a worthwhile outcome if not simply a very unpleasant experience, or worse. I would take the unpleasant experience a million times over if to save my soul, though. Or someone else's.

I'm not repressing something that's causing my OCD, I'm very honest with myself. That's an integral part of my character. I don't mind facing inner demons. I've been through enough to deal with myself. If you mean something equivalent to suppressing, then yes of course in try to suppress these thoughts, but because I have to. Otherwise I would've committed this sin. I've had OCD for a long time but they were always irrational, unimportant fears that caused them. I could get over that, even the darkest ones. It's this I can't. I've long recognise that fearing it makes i worse. Recognising that helped me to live with my OCD before It was like this, based around this topic. I live in fear every day, every moment of being condemned for eternity. Not fun, I assure you.

Oh and not meaning to be rude but I doubt there are many historians who regard the Gnostic gospels as authentic, besides I think he mentions this unforgivable sin in those anyway. Certainly if you read the texts of them he sounds like a madman in contrast to the synoptic gospels and John.

I should really get round to replying to the other messages. Bear with me, friends!

 

[Operculum]

My brother has seen angles, but I haven't. I posted a thread here maybe in 1st steps in hyperspace about my brothers blast offs. Many, if not most of his trips involve angels and demonic clowns.

Here are some summarized experiences where he saw angles.

1. I was looking at my brother after he blasted off, he was staring at the ground as if a dead person were lying there. I just let him be. After a while, I asked if he was ok. He replied, "yeah, I just can't believe what I am seeing". I asked him what he was seeing and he replied that he saw a bunch of evil clowns run into a room (mind you, he is looking at the concrete ground), and apparently a muscular man with an Owl's head entered the scene and held a staff in which fire shot out and hit the evil clowns. Now I know this is not an angel exactly, but wait for the next experiences and maybe you might decide it was.

2. Another time my bro called me up and said he blasted off and he saw an angel descend from the sky and land on top of his car in which he was sitting. The angel had a sword and was emitting a blue protective field around my brother.

3. My brother blasted off and said he looked in the mirror and saw 2 giant titans chained to each other battling each other superimposed on his chest. He then said he saw an angel fly down with a sword and shield and stab the two monsters, killing them. Then the angel spread his wings across my brothers chest gloriously.

When I say my brother I honestly mean my brother. These are not experiences of my own. I actually haven't blasted off due to pure fear of what might happen. Anyway, I'm not sure what to make of it, but he has had a few other experiences that suggested angelic involvement but I am not going to type that tonight. Anyway, I think my brother has a guardian angel looking out for him. Kinda makes me feel like I need to change my ways and perhaps seek out the lord for my own protection from negative energies.

I try not to get too deep into this stuff as it makes me feel like a nutcase and who the hell in modern day time would believe some crazy stuff like this? Gotta maintain a "normal" social image or else people think you went off into the deep end. Have a good one. My brother is currently not blasting off due to major life events occurring and large amounts of stress so I advised him to steer clear of the spirit molecule. Goodnight everyone!

 

[travsha]

Historians wouldnt consider any of the gospels to be historical. None of them were even written by first hand accounts - each one is hearsay written decades or more after the supposed death of Christ by people who never met or saw Christ. Fine if you believe in Jesus, but you are going to need some fancy fantasies to show any historic support for the Bible. http://ambrosiatechfiles.webr.ly/did-jesus-exist

I would agree with Null - sin is certainly a dogmatic belief. And seems to be tied to your issues.

But it should be accepted that this cannot be changed without serious miraculous power

That shouldnt be accepted at all. This is a very limiting belief that will keep you stuck in the issue.

I have often remarked on how ironic it is that of Jesus hadn't said anything about it I wouldn't have had this problem.

That tells you a lot right there.

I'm not repressing something that's causing my OCD, I'm very honest with myself.

The other thing is I have OCD relating to blasphemous thoughts, thoughts that if expressed aloud would be an unforgivable sin in Christian theology according to Jesus. My mind is so intimately connected with my mouth movements that I have to used mantras to stop myself from committing this sin. I struggle to breathe, eat, walk and talk. Because I have these thoughts, I don't know if I would commit this sin on entering hyperspace myself.

You are describing fear and repression here. Very intense repression.


Honestly though, I dont think you need someone to tell you these things. I think you need a ceremony with a practitioner so you can start to see these things for yourself. Seeing things for yourself is often much more powerful then having someone tell you. Since this forum doesnt allow for people to share identities and such I doubt you will find a practitioner here. But I would look for a practitioner if I was you - someone that you trust and who has experience with removing spirits.

 

[Koornut]

@Shenzi
I took the liberty of reading back a few of your historical posts, you mentioned in a few of them that God was testing you. Is this still the case with the current round of inquiry?

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

I'm not repressing something that's causing my OCD, I'm very honest with myself. That's an integral part of my character. I don't mind facing inner demons. I've been through enough to deal with myself. If you mean something equivalent to suppressing, then yes of course in try to suppress these thoughts, but because I have to. Otherwise I would've committed this sin. I've had OCD for a long time but they were always irrational, unimportant fears that caused them. I could get over that, even the darkest ones. It's this I can't. I've long recognise that fearing it makes i worse. Recognising that helped me to live with my OCD before It was like this, based around this topic. I live in fear every day, every moment of being condemned for eternity. Not fun, I assure you.

Brother, I feel you on the OCD front - I've struggled with terrible OCD myself, including religious/blasphemous OCD. When I was six years old I got it into my head that if I so much as thought a bad thing about God or Jesus, the ground would open up and I'd get sucked down into Hell then and there, and that fear stayed with me, non-stop for years. Believe me when I say that I understand how terrible the experience is. Appropriately, the best example of what it's like comes from Dante's voyage through Hell: it's like Judas being chewed on by Lucifer in the lowest circle. It really, really sucks.

That said, this kind of OCD can be beaten, although the spiritual nature sort of throws a wrench in it. I can't tell you what will work, but, annecdotally, I've found psilocybin to be extremely useful, both for combating the cognitive effects of OCD, as well as the existential horror that these fire-and-brimstone thoughts can have. Try microdosing, there's some clinical evidence that even very low doses can trigger substantial relief from symptoms (Moreno et al., 2006). I'd lay off any profound, visionary voyages (DMT, visionary psilocybin doses, etc), that might exacerbate the extreme quality of your thoughts. Mindfulness, meditation, self-reflection, all of these are things that I've also found to be very helpful in combating severe episodes of OCD.

I really hope you find your way through this. No one deserves to suffer that kind of anxiety.

Blessings
~ND

 

[DMT_Tom]

Hey I am a fundamental Christian, believer in Jesus, the truth of
The Bible and in angels and Demons. The following post reflects a christian opinion.
I skimmed all of the replies, and I apologize if you explained your fear of sinning blasphemously via OCD already.
But if i understand, you're afraid you'll verbally denounce Christ and lose your relationship with Him because of a condition you currently cannot help or control?
Im so sorry. You need the Gospel. Jesus is with you. He will not forsake you, even though we are unfaithful and flawed.
Im sorry that you're worried in losing Jesus love by simply failing to believe in him with 100% pure motives at all times. Or, that something like OCD makes you in danger of losing the hard-earned-by-Jesus free grace he freely gives to ANYONE who wants it.
I hope You feel encouraged by this. If we had to hold perfect faith all the time, who would ever make it?
Anyways, now as for the spirit guidance - go for it. See what happens, but remember, Jesus is the lord of all spirits and creation, and he loves you.

 

[Chan]

In my opinion, having read this thread with a mixture of interest and alarm:

Consider reading the "Bhagavad Gita," if you haven't done so already. It takes an afternoon and lasts an eternity. The text was already ancient when JC was still in his manger, and it offers a far more detailed and eloquent account of the relationship between God and Man, as well as the divine hierarchy, than any of the Judaeo-Christian texts. I particularly recommend the 'modern' translation by Jack Hawley.

I have no wish to proselytise, but coming from a strict Christian background myself, I found it a joyous liberation.

You can do this while searching for more external solutions, after all, as I said, it only takes an afternoon.

That said, don't forget that we all have the latent capacity to throw off our own burdens, a concept which is at the core of the shamanic tradition. Beware, as TM said, the tricksters...

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

Wouldn't it be ironic if the spirits that you are dealing with: actually have OCD, and they are super concerned about what some of the other spirits might or might not think of them.... therefor, they try to fit a certain image - one that may be a manifestation of their own imagination, or may have been told to them by other spirits concerned with similar matters - and then they project it on to you!?

Maybe they do it, because they think they are being helpful. Even when they are actually imposing..... Maybe it is just what they have been told, or gathered via observation...

Anyways, I hope you get it all worked out.

 

[zhoro]

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The Subjugation of a Ghost

“A young wife fell sick and was about to die. “I love you so much,” she told her husband, “I do not want to leave you. Do not go from me to any other woman. If you do, I will return as a ghost and cause you endless trouble.”

Soon the wife passed away. The husband respected her last wish for the first three months, but then he met another woman and fell in love with her. They became engaged to be married.

Immediately after the engagement a ghost appeared every night to the man, blaming him for not keeping his promise. The ghost was clever too. She told him exactly what had transpired between himself and his new sweetheart. Whenever he gave his fiancee a present, the ghost would describe it in detail. She would even repeat conversations, and it so annoyed the man that he could not sleep. Someone advised him to take his problem to a Zen master who lived close to the village. At length, in despair, the poor man went to him for help.

“Your former wife became a ghost and knows everything you do,” commented the master. “Whatever you do or say, whatever you give your beloved, she knows. She must be a very wise ghost. Really you should admire such a ghost. The next time she appears, bargain with her. Tell her that she knows so much you can hide nothing from her, and that if she will answer you one question, you promise to break your engagement and remain single.”

“What is the question I must ask her?” inquired the man.

The master replied: “Take a large handful of soy beans and ask her exactly how many beans you hold in your hand. If she cannot tell you, you will know that she is only a figment of your imagination and will trouble you no longer.”

The next night, when the ghost appeared the man flattered her and told her that she knew everything.

“Indeed,” replied the ghost, “and I know you went to see that Zen master today.”

“And since you know so much,” demanded the man, “tell me how many beans I hold in this hand!”

There was no longer any ghost to answer the question.”
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As far as blasphemy goes, consider this. The characteristics of God are omnipresence, omniscience, eternity. Given those, seeing anything other than God is blasphemy itself.

 

[Global]

I think that this assumption is at the root of a lot of people's hesitation to help. I think that most people (including myself) do not find your assumption to be true. For the most part, DMT can be fairly random, and operates on its own rules. It is not unheard of for DMT to take one's wishes into account, but it's also not incredibly common either. Only on a few occasions have my requests been granted. Perhaps your assumption is more true with astral travel. Since I have no direct experience on it, I am in no position to comment in that area, other than to say that I think calling on beings effectively is probably more of an astral projection thing.

This is why I said "as far as I've read". I haven't made that assumption. That, and the potential that it could be blocked somehow, (don't know I'm just supposing it could be possible,) is why am cautioning that this could be dangerous. And also why I am asking for someone with experience. If I knew it was easy, I wouldn't be as concerned of danger. However, I have done a lot of reading about it and it does sound simple. A little too simple. Hyperspace Fool I think actually said that it was fairly easy I remember reading, somewhere on this thread. I've got a headache, I'm feeling sick and I have things to do but it was somewhere on this thread...

Whether or not you wish to debate over what consists of an assumption, what you should realize is that I have had literally over a thousand DMT experiences. The others who are telling you it doesn't work like that are also very well versed. I have tried numerous experiments while in that state. I have tried calling on a number of higher entities. To put things in perspective, I have never seen any Christian entities, but I have seen Egyptian gods, and I can assure you that calling on them doesn't work. I know that they exist (at least in the DMT space) because I have seen them before, but calling on them doesn't do much good. I've seen them only once, and that has been the limit so far. I cannot stress enough how DMT has its own agenda. If it wants you to see something, you will see it.

As far as Hyperspace Fool goes, he is a good friend of mine. I'd like to believe he doesn't lie in his spectacular stories, but even if he doesn't, he has a very unique sort of experience track. If he truly has the capabilities he claims to have, you will be hard-pressed to find someone else around here who genuinely does as well.

 

[Intezam]

There is a Coptic exorcist in Egypt, his name is Makari Yunan (Makary Younan) - he is very famous and nonsectarian. Do a search.....he is a rare talent

 

[PsyDuckmonkey]

Well I've read that archangels at least do come when you call them if in hyperspace, though, and not seen anything to the contrary, and this information was from someone who is pretty intelligent and very probably lot more travelled than you are. Not trying to be rude here!

You're not being rude, you're being, well, naive. DMT is different for everyone. Some don't meet any entities to speak of, others have elaborate religious visions. Just because you read something from one psychonaut that was true for him doesn't say anything what the drug is like for anyone else.

This is nitty gritty reality for me I'm afraid, based on three years of hard experience. These are definitely real. I actually think it's a bit ridiculous that we have these discussions of, is this real, here. Sorry if that offends anyone. I'm the most un-dogmatic person, let alone Christian, that I know. I'm surprised you seem to think that the concept of sin is dogmatic. An eternal sin will sound unreasonable to some I will admit.

As for your problem, I'm increasingly wondering whether you're just trolling. First, there are no unforgivable sins in Christianity, as a Christian you should know that. (Besides, to commit a sin you have to commit it knowingly with intention. Something a demon does in your body is not your sin.) Even Saint Paul was forgiven, even though he was actively persecuting Christians. I mean come on, Jesus asked God to forgive the people who crucified him!

I do actually know which Gospel verse you are talking about, but that doesn't mean that uttering blasphemy once will damn you forever. (That would mean 100% of humanity is damned, probably including the Pope.) It simply means that Jesus will take all your sins away, but if you push Jesus away (which is a metaphysical action of conscious rejection, not a slip of the tongue), he will not save you.

Also, what keeps me perplexed is that you're a Christian, and yet you're looking for various occultists and pagans to talk to angels for you - doesn't this come off at least a bit weird?

Here's my idea, have you tried praying to GOD? I mean if I was a Christian (I used to be one once), that would be my first and last idea in a spiritual crisis. If I had trouble praying, I'd talk to a priest or pastor.

Certainly not go online and start fruitless and obscure negotiations with pagans about talking to angels on my behalf.

I didn't become a Christian in the way that most people do, inheriting it from their parents. I became one after extensive reading here on the nexus, over two years ago.

You have read the ramblings of drug users on-line (while yourself never using the drug), and decided on a lifelong religious path based on that? I'm not saying you should abandon your choice, but you might definitely want to talk to a priest or pastor, really. Real Christianity is nothing like this mess you're doing, it should be about hope and not neurosis. Maybe a priest or pastor may also be able to alleviate your ridiculous hangup on this "unforgivable sin" stuff.