Attempting Lazyman's Tek - naptha not surfacing...

[timothydeez]

SWIM is in the process of attempting this tek:

Lazyman's tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki

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He combined
- 1 lb. Powdered MHRB
- ~200g NaOH
- ~2L Water

Then, he let it sit overnight. In the morning, he added ~400ml of naptha and stirred for 40 minutes. The tek says to let it sit for up to an hour, and then proceed to remove the layer of naptha from the top of the solution. The problem is that it has been over an hour, and there is still no visible layer of naptha.

What should SWIM do? Wait longer? Add more naptha? Add more NaOH? SWIM is new to this, and unsure of what to do. Help would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Thre365ive]

I've been having the same problem. I haven't figured out anything to fix it, and it seems that nobody else can either.

What worked (kind of) for me was to separate the top layer of solvent (it did sort of separate, but not really) and then throw that in the fridge overnight. What seemed to be suspended particles of MHRB precipitated out, but so did most of my DMT. I'd then separate the solvent VERY carefully, as any agitation would result in my solvent getting colored again and I'd have to wait another 8-12 hours for separation. Then I'd freeze the solvent to get a pathetic yield.

I threw the crap back in the jug because I knew there was still DMT in it. It took probably 10 pulls to get all of it out.

 

[Jerzeecanuck]

Add more NaOH. If everything looks like syrup, then add more H2O so it's more like soup not syrup. Let it sit for a day. Pray that it will separate. I hope this helps!

 

[wearepeople]

1. Re-read the Tek to make sure you followed the process exactly!

2. Read the FAQ

3. Re-read the FAQ (Layers wont separate)

4. Make a very detailed post explaining exactly which order you mixed everything, what chemicals you used, What kind of dish/tray/jug you're using, everything you can think of. Pictures wouldn't hurt either.

5. Read Norman's Tek for some ideas.

6. Consider smaller extractions in the future. 1lb. is quite a bit. 100g is a nice starting place.

Edit:
Wow! sorry about the stark, boring, monotonous reply.

WHEW! Okay, deep breath.

I hope this goes well for you, The Nexus is here for you.
Sending you positive vibrations!

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[d*l*b]

I guess with powdered bark 454g in 2L will mean that the basic solution will be too thick to split properly. I have never done the Lazyman’s Tek, but when I did Noman’s I was using ~1.7L water per 100g bark.

I would try adding a load more water to it and seeing if you can get separation that way. Maybe if you just want to test take out a 1/4 of the solution and play with that to see if it works.

 

[wearepeople]

I guess with powdered bark 454g in 2L will mean that the basic solution will be too thick to split properly. I have never done the Lazyman’s Tek, but when I did Noman’s I was using ~1.7L water per 100g bark.

I would try adding a load more water to it and seeing if you can get separation that way. Maybe if you just want to test take out a 1/4 of the solution and play with that to see if it works.

Taking 1/4 of it out to test on sounds like a great idea!


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[timothydeez]

Thank you so much for the advice, and positive vibrations

SWIM just took 1/4 of his solution, and added:

~1.2L of water
~63.5g of NaOH

which makes the total ratio of his new solution approximately:

113.5g MHRB
1.7L water
113.5g NaOH
100ml naptha

SWIM submerged this new solution in a hot water bath. Hopefully it will separate. What would be the maximum amount of time it would take to separate? If SWIM still doesn't see any separation after said amount of time what should his next course of action be? Add more NaOH/water? Add more naptha? Add non-iodized salt?

Edit:
After reading this thread:

Naphtha won' seperate? - STB - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

It seems that powdered bark (what SWIM is using) calls for more water. Supposedly, an ideal ratio would be something around 1g MHRB: 1g NaOH: 15-20ml water. It has been roughly an hour and there is a tiny amount of separation, but not nearly enough. SWIM is probably going to add another 0.5L and see what happens.

Edit 2
SWIM just added another 0.5L to the solution. Based on what SWIM has read, if this doesn't do the trick, the next course of action would be to add more NaOH. Any suggestions on how much more NaOH to add? Perhaps, SWIM should double the current amount?

 

[Noman]

You need to add more water. The Lazyman Tek is for whole bark.
For a pound of powdered bark you need at least 6L of water.
Use hot tap water and throw in a handful of salt for good measure.

 

[timothydeez]

After adding the 0.5L of water and doubling the amount of NaOH, SWIM added a new layer a naptha on top and it separated well. Thanks so much guys. Now on to the crystallization. Wish SWIM luck!

 

[Dan]

i dont think water is really a problem. i do the blab how its written except i use a gallon glass jar instead of hdpe. that works out to be a bit over 3L for a lb of bark give or take.

 

[kpkp123]

I am definitely not an expert, I have only done one extraction so far. I used just under three liters of water to one pound of powdered bark. Made a very thick mud. I have seen others post above that more water is necessary for powdered bark. I had no problems getting the solvent to form a layer on top. But adding more water would seem like a good idea if you are having separation problems. Increasing temperature should also help. I wouldn't worry, the alkaloid you seek is there, you just need to coax your solvent to the surface. Just give it some time, heat and water and you should be just fine. As a side note, a bit more NaOH might not hurt either, if you have some handy.