Aussie extraction tips?

[Agavi]

Hey guys, new member here, glad to be on board. I'm yet to blast into hyperspace myself, but I've tumbled down a few rabbit holes and am pretty anxious to go to the next level. Problem being that DMT has been impossible for me to get. I know one person who knows someone who extracts it, but she refuses to introduce me out of a lack of understanding of DMT and doesn't want to "be responsible for me using hard drugs." The other person I know lives an entire state away.

This means, of course, that I'm going to have to extract, which is no big deal and I sort of like the idea of brewing my own magic crystals. The problem being that I'm having trouble finding the necessary plants. Acacia Obtusifolia seems to be the most reliable and obtainable source on my side of the continent, unfortunately I can't find it and if I did I'm not sure I could correctly identify it. I have no intention of harming any wild plants, if I managed to find and identify the right ones I'd take only a little from each one (and preferably only the leaves if possible). If you know of somewhere these plants grow near Sydney then feel free to shoot me a PM.

Importing Mimosa Hostilis bark is a huge no-no, as it's illegal. I can legally buy mimosa hostilis and acacia obtusifolia seeds here in australia. I'd rather not wait a few years while my own plant grows and was wondering if the alkaloid can be extracted directly from the seeds or possibly from young seedlings?

I've done a fair bit of research and have been lurking here for a whiel, but I'd appreciate any and all tips from successful Aussie extractors about anything from plants to use, teks, whatever.

Much Love.

 

[WarriorSage]

I am in the same boat my friend, but from Victoria.
Acacias are everywhere, you'd be quite surprised what you'll find. Go on weekend hunts and take photos to then later identify. There is ways of identifying Acacias on this forum which helped me alot. Last thing you want to be doing it taking from an endangered species.

I have found quite a few floribunda around my area, but I am looking for something more sustainable. Be patient and keep searching, goodluck

 

[Agavi]

Hey mate, after a solid 20 hours of searching (all up), I've found a common and sustainable source. Acacia Mearnsii is plentiful and has a higher yield than most (1.2%) according to many sources. It turns out I've had some a few blocks from my house this whole time. Small world.

Unfortunately I can't find any information on where the yield comes from. I'm hoping leaves and stems contain the alkaloid, as I don't want to damage the trees. It would be awesome to have a renewable supply so close to home.

 

[acacian]

hey mate welcome to the nexus
mearnsii is quite variable i hear.. though haven't had experience extracting with it personally
floribunda is a good candidate if you can find an active tree in your area.. i've yet to have success with it myself and think its quite variable but there are quite a few reports of positive yields. its also very common and the phyllodes contain healthy amounts of DMT, making it quite a sustainable source in terms of harm reduction to the tree

 

[KiwiTraveler]

Hey Warriorsage

I also dwell in the Melbourne region and have found my first possible candidate to try an extraction from, i will hopefully be able to gather the materials needed and start the learning curve shortly.

Regarding Floribunda - I have read from this particular forum that Floribunda is a consistent strain, some have said that they have never come across a Floribunda that didnt contain DMT, i think the problem is that it can easily be confused with A. Maidenii which is not so consistent.)


I was actually trying to specifically find a Floribunda for its consistency reports. Although i know some have had troubles extracting from this source but i suspect that may be due to the Floribunda being mistaken as another (which is easily done from what i have researched.

I hope all goes well for you and good luck.

 

[KiwiTraveler]

Quote from nen888 regarding Floribunda

"..another acacia considered consistent in quantity (like A. acuminata) is Acacia floribunda..at the 2011 EGA conference, acacia researcher 'J.J.' commented that while he had found a lot of highly variable species, he had never come across a floribunda which didn't contain DMT..i know of quite a few all positive results from floribunda, and yet there were two negative reports last year on the nexus..while seasonal variance is still possible, i feel either extraction technique/solvent, or pinpoint ID of species, may be the issue..the former issue is covered a bit earlier and as for the latter, there a a few species which could be mistaken for A. floribunda (Gossamer Wattle)"

 

[WarriorSage]

Hey Warriorsage

I also dwell in the Melbourne region and have found my first possible candidate to try an extraction from, i will hopefully be able to gather the materials needed and start the learning curve shortly.

Regarding Floribunda - I have read from this particular forum that Floribunda is a consistent strain, some have said that they have never come across a Floribunda that didnt contain DMT, i think the problem is that it can easily be confused with A. Maidenii which is not so consistent.

Heres a quote from the Acacia information thread

"Floribunda is probably variable, though not as much as a. obtusifolia..seasonal times when alkaloids may be reduced or absent are after heavy rain, or flowering/seeding."

I was actually trying to specifically find a Floribunda for its consistency reports. Although i know some have had troubles extracting from this source but i suspect that may be due to the Floribunda being mistaken as another (which is easily done from what i have researched.

I hope all goes well for you and good luck.

Yeah, I think I may try Floribunda phyllodes within a few weeks. I am pretty positive on it being Floribunda aswell as some positive feedback from the Nexians.

What tek are you planning to use for Acacia? Also what brand of ingredients? I am curious
Let me know how you go buddy :d

 

[Wingsuit]

In the west side of our arid country there seems to be an abundance or acacia acuminata, anyone have any knowledge of the frequency of these trees that actually contain dmt?

 

[KiwiTraveler]

Hey Warriorsage

I also dwell in the Melbourne region and have found my first possible candidate to try an extraction from, i will hopefully be able to gather the materials needed and start the learning curve shortly.

Regarding Floribunda - I have read from this particular forum that Floribunda is a consistent strain, some have said that they have never come across a Floribunda that didnt contain DMT, i think the problem is that it can easily be confused with A. Maidenii which is not so consistent.

Heres a quote from the Acacia information thread

"Floribunda is probably variable, though not as much as a. obtusifolia..seasonal times when alkaloids may be reduced or absent are after heavy rain, or flowering/seeding."

I was actually trying to specifically find a Floribunda for its consistency reports. Although i know some have had troubles extracting from this source but i suspect that may be due to the Floribunda being mistaken as another (which is easily done from what i have researched.

I hope all goes well for you and good luck.

Yeah, I think I may try Floribunda phyllodes within a few weeks. I am pretty positive on it being Floribunda aswell as some positive feedback from the Nexians.

What tek are you planning to use for Acacia? Also what brand of ingredients? I am curious
Let me know how you go buddy :d

Hey man
Im currently trying to get a plant identified that i also think is a Floribunda, so i will be trying my first extractions around the same time as you.

I also havnt looked enough into Teks (i have skimmed through a few though) yet as im keen to get a positive identification.

But.... I will be researching over the next couple days and will surely keep you posted on what i find, i will also PM you the brand of ingredients that ill be using after some research.

Lets hope this goes well for the both of us

 

[SpiceMind]

Hey guys thought I would chime in here, we are all Aussies and I'm glad we can help each other out!

Regarding floribunda, yes you will need to fund a pure strain. The phyllodes are a lot thinner than you think.. I'm finding shitloads of cross breed floribunda.. They look the deal and are regarded on many web pages as floribunda. 0.1% on those when not flowering I've heard.. Not really worth it.

PLEASE remember to only use PHYLLODES AND SMALL TWIGS. There is no need to strip a tree! It will die. This is a gift from them and they are more than happy to share it with you. A small prune of some leaves like said above will be enuf. Just remember its basically the SAME % of DMT anyway. The last thing you want is to sit down for your first smoke with your spice and think, "hmm it's a shame I killed that tree for something so beautiful thats ment to be shared" bad karma and experience IMHO.

Enjoy the outdoors and please keep our trees and country beautiful! Do not buy spice from dealers or people that strip and kill trees. Sorry to ramble about it but Australians need to learn abit I think. We don't have MHRB. We don't use root bark here! It kills our trees.
Good luck and I hope to hear more reports!!
S.M:thumb_up:

 

[Spice Sailor]

Spice Mind, great post above, really embracing the Nexus attitude and spirit.

Everyone remember that extracting during flowering / seeding time (even when the flower spikes are just forming) usually leads to undesirable results. (ie reduced or altered alkaloid profile / yield)

Best thing to do is ID the plants while in flower and seed, record the location, then use a little bit of patience. Return to the location when the weather has been dry, flowering has ceased and the pods have opened. Now, (ensuring it is the tree you identified back when it was in flower) try an extraction using ethical harvesting methods mentioned above and in many other threads.

Really this is the only semi - accurate way to find out if the Acacia has a friendly alkaloid profile and any knowledge to impart.

Spice Sailor

 

[SpiceMind]

Thanks spice sailor, and I totally agree with you. This is something you can't rush and takes patience.
For people reading this, flowering period is a time to identify your acacias you wish to use. Also to read and learn as much as you can. You will be thankful when you see the results when alkaloids return to normal after flowering/seeding.

S.M

 

[acacian]

Regarding Floribunda - I have read from this particular forum that Floribunda is a consistent strain, some have said that they have never come across a Floribunda that didnt contain DMT, i think the problem is that it can easily be confused with A. Maidenii which is not so consistent.)


I was actually trying to specifically find a Floribunda for its consistency reports. Although i know some have had troubles extracting from this source but i suspect that may be due to the Floribunda being mistaken as another (which is easily done from what i have researched.
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i'm pretty sure it is variable... i've talked to others who have also found it to be pretty inconsistent.i know J.J did say he's never found a floribunda without dmt.. but i've done 15+ attempts at floribundas (both bark and phyllode) which were identified by council as floribunda and i'm yet to find one with dmt... a few trees that i extracted from did turn out to be forms of maidenii but most i've been certain on and have learnt to differentiate between them by the phyllodes

 

[Gowpen]

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[SpiceMind]

i'm pretty sure it is variable... i've talked to others who have also found it to be pretty inconsistent.i know J.J did say he's never found a floribunda without dmt.. but i've done 15+ attempts at floribundas (both bark and phyllode) which were identified by council as floribunda and i'm yet to find one with dmt... a few trees that i extracted from did turn out to be forms of maidenii but most i've been certain on and have learnt to differentiate between them by the phyllodes

Yeah maybe even the best could of mistaken a floribunda for something els? Who knows.. but I've had attempts on them and they were planted and natural florabunda. With no sucsess..I feel I can spot then a mile away now! and thier phyllodes are pretty obvious for around my area..

I have also seen sucsess on this forum with someone that thought they had floribunda but instead of flower rods it had flower balls, same shape tree/shrub and phyllode structure. Maybe 0.2% and also extra goodies. Maybe that's worth looking into??

That's not to say I'm not going to keep trying to look for a really thin phyllode type with PURE white flowers, I feel that may be the key?
I meen the ones I'm trying are just mm thin now and quite long, everything's right. But I feel the presence of maidenii and long folia changed the species abit.. For the worst.(less alkaloid/common yellow white flower rod)
Any way trail and error.. And Aussie reports!! :thumb_up:
S.M

G

:d

 

[acacian]

i'm pretty sure it is variable... i've talked to others who have also found it to be pretty inconsistent.i know J.J did say he's never found a floribunda without dmt.. but i've done 15+ attempts at floribundas (both bark and phyllode) which were identified by council as floribunda and i'm yet to find one with dmt... a few trees that i extracted from did turn out to be forms of maidenii but most i've been certain on and have learnt to differentiate between them by the phyllodes

Yeah maybe even the best could of mistaken a floribunda for something els? Who knows.. but I've had attempts on them and they were planted and natural florabunda. With no sucsess..I feel I can spot then a mile away now! and thier phyllodes are pretty obvious for around my area..

I have also seen sucsess on this forum with someone that thought they had floribunda but instead of flower rods it had flower balls, same shape tree/shrub and phyllode structure. Maybe 0.2% and also extra goodies. Maybe that's worth looking into??

That's not to say I'm not going to keep trying to look for a really thin phyllode type with PURE white flowers, I feel that may be the key?
I meen the ones I'm trying are just mm thin now and quite long, everything's right. But I feel the presence of maidenii and long folia changed the species abit.. For the worst.(less alkaloid/common yellow white flower rod)
Any way trail and error.. And Aussie reports!! :thumb_up:
S.M

G

:d

yeah i've been noticing the flowers on the floribundas are quite yellowy down here. on the highway today saw some far paler white ones might give em a go. growing a couple seedlings i bought as well at the moment so I'll be interested to see what form of floribunda they turn out as.

 

[SpiceMind]

Cool bricklaya
Yeah same, seems flori is abit later to flower than most in my region(like maidenii/long folia and other rod flower acacia). So im keen to see the full colour of flowers from diffrent ereas for further i.d. I'm interested to hear results and I'll keep you posted if I get around to it first. (full time works a bitch sometimes)
It will also be interesting to see if they are selling the pure floribunda or just vairiants. that's a cool project.

Peace bro:thumb_up:

 

[Plasma]

I was JUST looking into acacia extractions for my first dmt exp, i came to dmt nexus and BAM this was on the front page! so i got familiar with the plants and there are a lot of acacias near mine so i went looking around today, i think ive found some Acacia obtusifolia, where can i post it to get an ID?

 

[acacian]

in the collaborative research section theres a thread called "Acacia identification thread" .. chuck 'er in there
welcome to the world of acacias, dmt and the nexus

 

[acacian]

Cool bricklaya
Yeah same, seems flori is abit later to flower than most in my region(like maidenii/long folia and other rod flower acacia). So im keen to see the full colour of flowers from diffrent ereas for further i.d. I'm interested to hear results and I'll keep you posted if I get around to it first. (full time works a bitch sometimes)
It will also be interesting to see if they are selling the pure floribunda or just vairiants. that's a cool project.

Peace bro:thumb_up:

yeah the flori's are flowering at the moment here. theres a lot of variance in the phyllode length from tree to tree i've noticed too ...as well as the flower pod length which is quite variable.... i'm thinking the shorter pod specimens could be a cross with maidenii or something? yeah i'd like to know if my seedlings are a genetic variant or not.. the phyllodes look typical floribunda with the 3 main veins. not quite as papery as i would have expected though which i know is a floribunda characteristic