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post#2 has the reduction and the boiling bit covered.

to go into more detail tho, you want to shred the material (can use an old t-shirt and a hammer, or even cut it up with a set of garden shears into small bits, hammer is quicker tho... u want it pummelled and shredded into little bits)

then dump in water (filtered or spring water is fine) and boil on low boil, can do 3 boils at 3 hrs each and save water from each boil, I prefer to just boil it straight through for 9 hours, I've found either way works. Strain the bark, can freeze and save for later use/extraction on another boil (no need to use more than twice), and take the liquid, put on low heat (below boiling point) and reduce down (to where water is simply evaporating slowly, takes me a few hours for this bit too) to a small amount... I usually reduce it to around 1g/mL concentration of caapi to liquid.

Then save that to drink

make ur DMT mix

drink caapi, wait about half hour to 45 mins for MAO inhibition, and take DMT mix (be sure not to overdose on this, take what you feel is a conservative but good amount, and wait a good half hour or so, I usually just go by feel and intuitively "know" when I've had enough, then wait for effects to kick in and enjoy the ride


I use one pot to cook the caapi, and have glass bowl where I strain it into, then pour the water back into the same pot (after washing the pot out a little) that I cooked caapi in to reduce

I use another pot for the dmt admixture the same way, but my admixtures are leaf based so you may have to figure out your own thing there I never worked with mimosa
 
Wait you filter it and then pour the same water back into the pot and continue the cook? The filtration is to capture all the yucky stuff that is formed when boiling right? So it's a choice to use fresh water or to continue with the same?
Also 9 hours straight or 3 separate 3 hrs BOTH work?

Both of these things are good to know.

Everyone is saying to reduce it to a drinking amount. I read that you said 100-200mL. How concentrated will it be and is it correlated to how much liquid is left? Many people are saying I can freeze and save the rest for later days, but if I reduce it to drinking amount, how will there be any left over? I guess I just drink little by little of the 100-200mL? And how should I reduce it for 2 people? Should I split the final brew into 2 pots and reduce each one separately?

Thanks again.
 
WalkingSpirit said:
That just doesn't make sense to me though. If I was extracting, 5g would give me next to nothing. How does boiling it change that? That's my main problem I'm facing cause I've never done this. Don't want to waste it, but I also only have a small time frame that I'm free to do this.
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A lot of mimosa is actually closer to 2% dmt content...so thats around 100mg dmt, which in terms of pharma is a big dose for some, medium dose for others, and even a relatively mild dose for a few. I would start with 2-3 grams of mimosa. For many like myself 30mg dmt is even more than enough a lot of times. But keep in mind that the intensity of the dmt/mimosa aspect of the experience is also greatly dependent on the amount of caapi/harmalas you've taken. 3g mimosa with a small amount of caapi is completely different from 3g mimosa with a large dose of caapi, for example
 
WalkingSpirit said:
Wait you filter it and then pour the same water back into the pot and continue the cook? The filtration is to capture all the yucky stuff that is formed when boiling right? So it's a choice to use fresh water or to continue with the same?
Also 9 hours straight or 3 separate 3 hrs BOTH work?

Both of these things are good to know.

Everyone is saying to reduce it to a drinking amount. I read that you said 100-200mL. How concentrated will it be and is it correlated to how much liquid is left? Many people are saying I can freeze and save the rest for later days, but if I reduce it to drinking amount, how will there be any left over? I guess I just drink little by little of the 100-200mL? And how should I reduce it for 2 people? Should I split the final brew into 2 pots and reduce each one separately?

Thanks again.
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Please read this thread All About Aya <3 - Ayahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

You can split up the 3 hour boils if you want, and do one a day if that fits your schedule..just store everything in the fridge in between (and also at the end...Aya can last several weeks in the fridge but if its going to be longer then freeze it).

Also, don't just use the same water for each boil...Its much more efficient to filter each time and add new water. You can start evaporating the separated liquid in another pan on the stove while you complete each new boil. Use a wide an shallow pan when you can so to speed up evaporating, since it works much better than a big aya pot.

As for reducing, just reduce it to a manageable amount where 1 dose is a gulf or so of liquid. You can try to reduce it to a specific amount, and then add water if you undershoot it. But even without doing that, you could just calculate the proportions of ml/grams very easily and figure out specific dosing that way.

WalkingSpirit said:
OKay the reduce the brew bit is what I am really lost on. I've never done this, how does it work?

A few more questions after look at all about Aya again.

Is acidified water required? Anyone have experience with it and just using regular filtered water?
I do boil the materials right? Just don't have the heat too high?
How do I "reduce" the water? Just let it boil until the materials are exposed rather than topping off the pot with water as one would do during the cook?
Any tips for filtering with a cotton-t? I'm thinking of using a rubber band to keep it tight and not dip into the pot while pouring.
And again, how does this reduction thing work? I combine all three boils and just continue to boil it?
Also how many pots do I need? I read that caapi and mhrb should be cooked seperately. If each brew is filtered into it's own pots, that's a total of 8 pots or so. I have 6 @_@

I appreciate the responses.
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Acidifying the water isn't necessary. You do boil it, but be careful not to burn it. Just keep it a little above the threshold of boiling, and keep an eye on it so it doesn't boil over. The water gets reduced as you boil and if it gets to the level of the material before the 3hrs then add more water. As for filtering i just pull a cotton t shirt over the pot. You don't even really need rubber bands if you do it right. And yea thats how reduction works...you combine the liquid and start evaporating it (but careful not to burn).

You can brew mhrb and caapi together if you want but mhrb should be let sit over night and discard or re-boil the sediment that drops out into the bottom of the jar (this can cause a lot of nausea). mhrb really only needs 3 x half an hour boils instead of 3x3hr boils.

8 pots? no lol. one for boiling, one for reducing (but move to smaller/wider/shallower pots or pans while reducing the volume of the liquid

Please see the thread i linked and do some more searches since this information is all readily available on the forum.

have a good experience :)
 
Also i don't recommend doing 100g of vine if your definitely taking a solid dose of mimosa with it for your first time...vine potency can vary incredibly so some vine is super potent at that amount. If i took 100g of potent vine with 4g of mimosa i'd be a pancake for 12 hours. It depends what your shooting for though of course, and everyone's different, but if its a smaller dose of mimosa with it then you'll probably be fine.

don't resist the purge and lay down in silent darkness if the nausea hits (ginger helps to)
 
^^all of that. The thing is there's like 1001 ways to do the same thing. Do whichever you feel most comfortable with; whatever feels natural. I just went thru google and looked at different templates for cooking on erowid and then sort of evolved my own from the different ideas... one that fit me best (i have an open schedule so can cook everything in one shot)

That said, when I said freeze it for later use, I was referring to the leftover vine after boiling... when you strain out the liquid, you can freeze the vine and extract from it down the road... of course you would have to add more vine to account for the potency, but it should still be good... I've used two batches which I've extracted from previously and then froze, to cook another batch before.
 
universecannon said:
8 pots? no lol. one for boiling, one for reducing (but move to smaller/wider/shallower pots or pans while reducing the volume of the liquid

Please see the thread i linked and do some more searches since this information is all readily available on the forum.

have a good experience :)
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Thanks for the input, I have read the suggested thread, but I do have specific questions. For instance, it states to filter each brew into a pot but doesn't specify if it should all go into the same pot. It says to combine all three filtrations in the end. This would mean that I would need a total of 4 pots for each plant (1 for boiling and 3 for filtration). So in that sense, I would need 8 @_@

Also, is stainless steel necessary? I have maybe 3-4 steel pots and then the rest I think are ceramic or whatever material pots are usually made of.

And so unless I want to go insane, I should brew the exact amount I want to take and not brew all 100+g because it will be a bit difficult to measure 5-10g/mL from the final product? I'm thinking what I could do is brew all 100+g and reduce it to about a glass full. Then just take sips of it until I hit a good spot.
 
You filter the water from each boil into the same pot. So you just need two pots, one for boiling and one for collecting the water.

Use stainless steel pots, otherwise you might end up with teflon coating in your tea.

If you're worried about measuring doses then don't reduce straight away (or just reduce to a sensible amount). Then further reduce each dose individually whenever you're ready to drink.

I should also mention that 3 x 40 minutes boils should be sufficient for mimosa.
 
Thanks, Creo. Even with only 40 min boils for mimosa, I still need 3hrs each boil for caapi I take it. I wonder why it takes so much longer...

I'm still unsure how to figure out a dose once it's all collected. If I boiled it all, and then reduce it, that's a pretty potent cocktail. Would it be wiser to just pick a dose and boil that?

This is all really helpful so far guys.
 
Why boil an individual dose when you can do it all at once and avoid having to brew twice or more? It really isn't hard to figure out the ratios of ml/grams. Look into how proportions work, its very simple math. By using that it won't matter what amount of liquid you end up with, since you can always figure out the ratio.

Or if you want to do it another way...say you have 500g caapi boiling and in the end you reduce it all to 400ml of liquid. 200ml of that would then obviously be 250g of caapi...cut it in half again, and 100ml would equal 125g of caapi, and so on
 
That was simple.

Before I write up a recipe...

How do you guys feel about powdered caapi and mimosa? 'Cause that's what I got.
 
How's this look?

Materials and Ingredients
2 steel pots
2 regular pots (for collecting)
2 cotton t-shirts
100g of mimosa hostilis powder
100g of yellow caapi powder

Preparation
Clean the kitchen, stove top, and pots
Set out and weigh all materials

Recipe
1. Turn up the heat on two stove tops
2. Fill each steel pot with filtered water and place them on the stove tops
3. Once the water starts to boil, lower the heat to just below boiling
4. Add the powder to the pots, caapi in one and mimosa in the other
5. Brew for 3 hrs, refilling the pot with water whenever the materials become exposed (since it is a powder and will most likely be floating around, how will I know when to refill?)
6. Cover a regular pot with a t-shirt and pour the brew through the shirt, straining the brew of any left-over nasty materials
7. Refill the pots with water and brew for another 3 hrs (again, with the powder, how can I keep it all from pouring out when I filter for the 2nd and 3rd brew? I don’t want it to get stuck to the shirt and have to wring it out over the pot)
8. Filter
9. Brew and Filter again
10. Clean the steel pots
11. Pour the brew from the regular pots back into the steel pots
12. Place the pots on the stove top and keep the heat at the same level
13. Reduce the amount of brew in the pots; when about half way, separate the brews into 2 more pots, making a total of 4 (2 for each dose)
14. Reduce the brews to about 200mL each
15. Pour 10mL from each finished brew into a glass and knock it back
16. Store reserves for later


How’s that look? You’ll notice some notes and questions. Feel free to point anything out. Once reduced to 100mL, my friend and I will each take about 10mL or 5g from each brew.
 
A 1:1 ratio of caapi to mimosa won't work.

5g mimosa is fine.

But 5g caapi is too little, it should be closer to 50g.
 
Ah, I misread the "All About Aya" thread on that bit. So is 50 the standard and is there a ratio? Say my friend and I decided to take another gulp and go 10g mimosa. Would I have to up the ante on the caapi?
 
Well glad I didn't jump into it this weekend :P

Two more questions:

If I choose to brew the mimosa for 9 hours as I do with the caapi, will it matter? Could it burn or lose potency?

I read this:
"-Warning #1: Mimosa *MUST* be brewed separately from the vine!! It is normal for a sediment to drop out of any brewed plant material after 24 hours or so; in the case of vine and leaves, the sediment may be consumed, but NOT in the case of Mimosa. It can be prepared in identical manner to the vine, only in a separate pot. After decanting for 24 hours, a dark sludge should fall out; the sludge is responsible for most of the ill feelings and bad experiences related to Mimosa. Decant, filter through pantyhose/cheesecloth, and pour into a sterilized jar. Do not drink the sludge!"

I will be refrigerating this stuff over night after I make it. I read about stuff falling out of mimosa when refrigerated. IS this before or after brewing, is there something I need to filter out of the reduced brew if refrigerated?

Can someone give me an egg whites tek? I'm worried about a premature purge although I rarely ever purge on pharma.
 
Well after trial and error all weekend I figured it out last night. My friend and I had a very intense journey but it went really well.
 

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