Aya(MHRB) help?

[Crystal Drifter]

I've done quite a few successful noman teks and i understand all it has led to amazing experience. But i would really really like to try a aya trip, but using MHRB. I've tried to find some threads on the nexus but nothin made sense and it was all kinda loosely wrote for MHRB. So I was wondering who has made DM-Tea using MHRB and had successful trips on it. How did you go about making it?

 

[ouro]

This recipe might be useful:

5gms powdered mimosa + a few cups of water + 1/2 a lemons juice. some people dont like lemon, but I'm blessed to have lots of tasty lemons. Not all citrus are created equal.

boil for 30-45 minutes

let it settle, decant liquid carefully leaving as much sediment as possible. It's not necessary to get all the liquid out, leaving the sediment is more important for this step. Set the liquid aside.

refill the sediment pot with water and the other half of the lemon juice.

boil 30-45 minutes.

filter all the liquid through cotton balls. Sticking little bits of cotton in any funnel shaped thing you can find should work. I like to put little bits of cotton in the drain holes of a coffee filter holder. This filtering will take a while, be patient. You might want to replace the bits of cotton a few times.

bring the filtered liquid to a boil. add 1 spoonful of gelatin. reduce to a drinkable amount.

freeze then thaw this reduced liquid. The gelatin should have settled to a dark mass at the bottom leaving a potent and very mild tasting tea. It's probably a bad idea to drink more than 1/2 of this in one session, but if your body rejects it too fast you might find the leftover useful.

 

[Crystal Drifter]

Why do you use the gelatin? Is it for MAOI, which bring me to my second question. Dont you need to take a MAOI beforehand while taking dmt in an oral route.

 

[ouro]

The gelatin binds to tannins (generally unhealthy and upset stomach producing compounds). I've never heard first hand experience that mimosa prepared in this way will be active without maoi... really you should read the aya forum on this topic.

 

[Crystal Drifter]

I have before. And all the different combination of herbs and such got me a little confused. Sorry I'm pretty lost at the aya side of dmt. How long would a trip using your method last? if you wouldn't mind either posting an experience you had this method. or send me a link of you posted it would be much appropriated. Thank you for your help so far. It means alot.

 

[jbark]

This from the "all about aya" stickie, the first thread in the subforum and on the first page in the first post:

-Mimosa (Mimosa Hostilis): A traditional entheogen, un-traditionally used in Ayahuasca brews for its nn-dmt. There are also loads of other "mysterious jungle alkaloids" that are presently not fully understood...
-Warning #1: Mimosa *MUST* be brewed separately from the vine!! It is normal for a sediment to drop out of any brewed plant material after 24 hours or so; in the case of vine and leaves, the sediment may be consumed, but NOT in the case of Mimosa. It can be prepared in identical manner to the vine, only in a separate pot. After decanting for 24 hours, a dark sludge should fall out; the sludge is responsible for most of the ill feelings and bad experiences related to Mimosa. Decant, filter through pantyhose/cheesecloth, and pour into a sterilized jar. Do not drink the sludge!
-Warning #2: Potent and well-prepared MHRB is extremely unforgiving when it comes to dosing improperly. There are some absolutely insane reports on the web about people taking 8g, or even 25g. Prepared identically to Caapi, Mimosa can become active at .5g, and I would never, ever recommend a dose beyond 3g without EXTENSIVE personal experimentation and perfection of brewing techniques. Very little goes a long way. Less is more, and too much light will bring panic. People have used the word "leash" with this plant.
-Experiential notes: The spirit of Mimosa is extremely vocal about global justice issues. Lots of blues, greens, and reds, in color. No "rainforest presence," as with leaves and vine. When approached in appropriate doses, great mysteries of body, birth, and being are readily explored. Those familiar with jungle spice will find themselves very close to home.

Please hone your research skills. It took me 20 seconds to find this. I will let you read the rest, above this section in the thread about ayahuasca (aya is the caapi vine, other things are admixtures, and while some claim that mimosa is active on its own, it has, to my knowledge, yet to be proven empirically. regardless, if ayahuasca is what you are aiming to try, you'll need to brew the vine, by definition.) See also the pharmahuasca subforum for variations. I believe there is also info in the FAQ (have you read this required reading? get to it, whippersnapper !

Good luck

JBArk

 

[Crystal Drifter]

How come most people say you only need to boil for like 30 mins to an hour but the stick thread says 3 hours per boil? Is that when you are using B.Caapi you need to do the 3 hour boils? I have a lot of MHRB and im trying to find a method that use only MHRB for the dmt part. I'm sorry if i sound like im going in circles. I did read through the whole walk through they did in the sticky post. But still kinda confused. And I already knew that what I want to make isn't true Aya. That's why i put the mhrb in parentheses.

 

[Hatersgunnahate]

well what you want to do is, find a plant that has maoi, aya, rue,so forth.... then you can add mhrb to the brew... if you do it all in one pot i would dose it out as 1-2 doses don't make more for it is extremely hard to eyeball a dose once you make it all in one pot.

this is what i do... i like LARGE doses of dmt, I KNOW MY LIMITS... i use 50g of aya and 5G of mhrb, i brew for 2hr three times.... drink up, but it is best to brew separate, drink one; wait 20, then drink another.

normal doses for aya is 1-3g of mhrb...

p.s. if you drink dmt straight it will do nothing, there are enzymes in the stomach that wont allow it <- don't know the technical reason; that's why you have to have a mao inhibitor.

 

[Eranik]

What's the difference between Aya (using MHRB and Rue) and pharma?

 

[olympus mon]

How come most people say you only need to boil for like 30 mins to an hour but the stick thread says 3 hours per boil? Is that when you are using B.Caapi you need to do the 3 hour boils? ....And I already knew that what I want to make isn't true Aya. That's why i put the mhrb in parentheses.

caapi should be boiled for 3x3hrs yes. no mhrb doesnt have to be much past 15 min. in the sticky msminxx clearlry states that she boils her ad mixture the same amount of time as her caapi because she is at the stove anyways but its not necessary.

your incorrect thinking that this would not be ayahuasca. ayahuasca is a brew made with caapi and even an admixture isnt necessary to be called ayahuasca.

dmt crystals would be active orally if you consumed enough of them. between 2-3 grams but its doubtful anyone can hold that down for long enough to be absorbed into the system. although mao's attack the dmt molecule rapidly it is possible to saturate your system with more dmt than mao's can keep up with but its a terrible idea.

using an mao inhibitor stops this attack on dmt molecule from happening and makes oral dmt active at much lower amounts. 25-100+ mg. this is whats happening with ayahuasca as well as pharma.

are you trying the search engine at all? ive made a couple threads personally on mhrb and ayahuasca and i know every answer to these questions can be found in less than a few min once you learn how to navigate. just might be easier for you rather than waiting on replys and getting told "read more" over and over :lol: