Aya tea daily?

[autumnsphere]

Has anyone of you guys tried to drink very small daily doses of ayahuasca brew every morning? Banisteriopsis caapi and psychotria viridis - together with the juice of an acid fruit such as oranges for several hours.

This would mean being on a strict maoi diet all the time, of course, but if it works, it's well worth it.

 

[Jees]

oh yes!
For some months now, I take like 0.5 (sometimes 1) grams vine / day.
Leaf is not necessary, as there is no maoi action for it to feel it, but is is okay for having the energy with it.
Not planning for doing it a year, but for some months.
Anti depressing for sure !!
Good for staying in touch with the vine.
Preparation for a ceremony on its own.
Much advised.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

This would mean being on a strict maoi diet all the time, of course

why?

 

[universecannon]

Has anyone of you guys tried to drink very small daily doses of ayahuasca brew every morning? Banisteriopsis caapi and psychotria viridis - together with the juice of an acid fruit such as oranges for several hours.

This would mean being on a strict maoi diet all the time, of course, but if it works, it's well worth it.

i took caapi and/or rue daily for over a year. it was a really interesting experiment (i didn't add any psychotria or mimosa though most days). i was taking more like 10 or 20grams of caapi a day. or if it was rue, it was around .5g or 1g. sometimes more sometimes less

also, you really don't need to follow the strict MAOI diet

an acid isn't really necessary. just brew the caapi and psychotria like you usually would, but in really large amounts, and sip the amount you want daily. i usually did it at night but sometimes in the morning to. i still add .5g or less of a rue brew to my smoothies sometimes, which is nice

 

[Jees]

...This would mean being on a strict maoi diet all the time, of course...

No, because you take not enough alkaloids each time to inhibit the monoamine oxidase. Eat and drink what you want.

 

[Global]

...This would mean being on a strict maoi diet all the time, of course...

No, because you take not enough alkaloids each time to inhibit the monoamine oxidase. Eat and drink what you want.

The MAO are being inhibited. It's simply that the harmala alkaloids used with ayahuasca are RIMAs which primarily only inhibit the specific kind of MAO that metabolizes tyramine which is the main concern with the MAOI diet restrictions.

 

[jamie]

mono amine oxidase will always be inhibited to some degree when you take light doses like this but usually not to the degree where you can really notice the effects of oral DMT..unless you took a TON of DMT.

I think telling people that you dont need any kind of diet for this is naive and reckless though..and I know I have said the same thing in the past. I have changed my opinion somewhat. I am not worried about tyramine but many other substances found in food in general..many flavanoids, stimulants etc can be found in everyday foods and they can interact with harmalas so you should be aware of this and pay attention to your body. If you feel weird after eating something that usually does not do that, than maybe try avoiding it in the future with RIMA's etc.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

I am not worried about tyramine but many other substances found in food in general..many flavanoids, stimulants etc can be found in everyday foods and they can interact with harmalas so you should be aware of this and pay attention to your body. If you feel weird after eating something that usually does not do that, than maybe try avoiding it in the future with RIMA's etc.

is this really a valid concern for microdosing though?

 

[autumnsphere]

I still havent done this but now I finally have the opportunity. Dont you guys think that this is a better way to do it than simmering the tea every night?

Therapeutic caapi tea: a prototype – Material and Method

 

[universecannon]

I was never brewing daily. I try to brew a kilo or more at a time. Or a lot of rue at once. At times I would eat harmalas instead to

 

[autumnsphere]

How do you brew it?

 

[SnozzleBerry]

How do you brew it?

Please do some basic research. There are numerous threads on precisely this topic, with a couple major stickies. We discourage the spoonfeeding of information here.

Thanks

 

[edge2054]

Is there a benefit to brewing vs. encapsulating Syrian Rue?

 

[3rdI]

Is there a benefit to brewing vs. encapsulating Syrian Rue?

Please do some basic research. There are numerous threads on precisely this topic. We discourage the spoonfeeding of information here.

Thanks

 

[edge2054]

Believe it or not I saw that and I searched both here and on google.

Currently I grind it and put it in capsules as I find the smell and taste of Rue pretty horrifying and I've heard that the tea is even worse.

So yes, I'm wondering what the perceived health benefit is of making it into a tea, if any, or if it's just personal preference. In my own searching of the various threads both here and on the internet I could not find an answer to this question.

But thanks for shaming me for asking. I'll try a different forum.

 

[3rdI]

no body shamed you, I just suggested you do a search, I searched "rue brew" and found the answer to your question.

apologies if I have offended.

 

[edge2054]

You empty quoted the post right above mine as if to say, hey, why didn't you read this post from the moderator before asking your question? You don't see how someone could find that offensive and take it as being shamed? I honestly don't want a response to these questions. Just something for you to consider.

That aside I really did search. encapsulation vs. rue tea. rue tea. etc. It's not like there's a ton of different threads on the benefits of making tea out of rue like there are different threads and teks for the actual process behind it. Also what information I did find seemed to imply that many of the unwanted alkaloids are water soluble so a simple tea wouldn't remove them. Which leaves me asking, why is filtering out the seeds themselves important if they've already been ground up? Hence me asking the question.

Something that you may want to consider though is that finding a thread you know exists and looking for something that might exist are two different propositions. I'm pretty good with search engines and search parameters but the jump from searching for Rue Tea vs. Rue Brew when the former turned up nothing of value in the first four pages isn't one most people would make.

Anyway, thanks for attempting to take the time to answer my question (in a roundabout way). I understand encouraging people to do their own research but it's pretty off putting when I've frequented this website for almost two years now and the first time I ask an honest question the response I get, comes off to me at least, as condescending.

It wasn't very welcoming and it wasn't something I would think would foster a sense of community.

Just my opinion anyway.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

It comes down to personal preference, in a very real way. Some people have iron guts. Others don't. Some people have more sensitive taste buds. Some people believe that "full spectrum" plant extractions are "better" or more desirable. Others like knowing how much of a given alkaloid they have for dosing purposes...or because they only want to ingest a specific alkaloid.

Ime, %alkaloids vary among plant material. Even if it's a small amount, they just do. For accurate dosing, you can't beat extracting, pure and simple. Not only that, but by extracting from rue, you are ingesting only the harmala alkaloids...which I assume is what you're after in the first place. Now, if you want the vasicine and vasicinone, and don't mind the taste of brew or get solid effects from caps, and have no stomach issues or otherwise, by all means make tea or eat caps of ground seeds.

Imo, extraction can't be beat, especially when you consider ease of dosing both orally and vaped/smoked. But, as I said at the beginning of this post...that's just my personal preference

Fwiw...googling "capping vs brewing rue" yields this as the first result: Rue, capped vs brewed? - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Followed closely by this: Suggestions for Syrian Rue methods? (Or covering up the nasty taste of rue tea) - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

You will see that the personal preference line is also reiterated there. "Benefits" are subjective and vary from person to person. I hope this explanation helps clarify things for you.

 

[universecannon]

I hate the idea of trying to digest a bunch of those rock hard seeds...I've done it before (my first time) and it took forever to fully kick in, and wasn't nearly as strong as my brews of the same amount. I prefer rue brews or extracted harmalas. With a brew it will absorb faster and is easier on the system, and you don't have a bunch of unnecessary seed matter in you- it pulls the goodies right out. I could also see why it would increase the nausea for some people but I haven't eaten the whole seeds enough to say.

You can make a tea very quickly to, its not like brewing ayahuasca