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ayahuasca and benzodiazepines

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If you are asking 'Is the combination of MAOIs and benzodiazepines dangerous?' then the answer is no; I suspect it would be a nice combination and benzos with LSD/psilocybin/mescaline/vaporised DMT goes very well indeed!:d
 
Seems like its kinda going against the grain taking benzos with psychedelics, it would dull the experience. I remember a friend had some valium and we thought oh we could take some then it would give us lots of dutch courage to smoke lots of spice, well it did and we cant remeber a thing, totally pointless. taking them to get a sleep yes but combining them with any psychs seems like a total waste of time imo
 
Infinite I- I think the combination does work well provided your dose of benzos is small-for clonazepam I reckon about 0.5mg only would be ok and it wont dull the experience if the dose of psychedelic is of sufficient quantity.
 
SWIM became so afraid of the spice, that he did not do it for the past few weeks at all, so last night he took 2 mg Clonazepam (which has about 15 hours half-life) and obviously the next day he was a little bit dreamy...not really sedated but kinda chilled-out and he suddenly felt the moment is right somehow to smoke spice, so that's why he asked the question. He did not do ayahuasca, but smoked some DMT, but there was a somewhat 'dulled-down'/'dumbed' feeling to it. Also he indeed like some other poster sayd, found it much more difficult to remebmer. But it was nice.
 
Ive never had aya but i have had benzos and vaped spice. It definitely does reduce the anxiety of entering into a journey.

I took 10mg of diazepam around half an hour befre a 70mg spice trip and i can say it was truly amazing! No fear at all and one of the best journeys ive ever had!

I wouldn't recommend this to inexperienced benzo users though as benzos affect different people in different ways.

Stay safe nexians :)
 
If you can't handle the trip, stay in reality!

Why do people continue to choke the divine power of entheogens with benzos??????

If you're supposed to freak out, then FREAK OUT and live with it, my worst trips have turned out to be the best in the long run.
 
^^^^Definately. Benzos are good if you can't sleep tho. When I used to take 'em I found it took much more psychedelics to get where I wanted/needed to be.
 
If you have taken LSD, shrooms, or pharma or any other hallucinogen for that matter and you would like to terminate the voyage benzos will do it and they have the potential to do it pretty quick. If you are having a bad trip they work great for aborting it. I have quite a bit of experience with this. I have aborted bad trips several times. Benzos have pulled me out of more than one very bad situation.

I would never recconmend taking them with any hallucinogen unless you would like to dullen or lessen the effects of that trip even in low doses. They dont increase or even enhance the effects of hallucinogens at all.IME.

They are great for lessening the anxiety, that is true. Thats what they are designed to do thats what they are perscribed to do, a benzo is anti anxiety medicine. If you are suffering from anxiety before you voyage on any hallucinogen I would reccomend an MAOI before a Benzo. I would also reccomend meditation.

Other than to abort a bad trip. I cant see any benefits to taking any benzos before or with any hallucinogen. IMO
 
Its a fine balancing act, combining benzos with psychedelics but particularly with vaporised DMT because benzos cause a degree of amnesia which is an inherent feature of vaped DMT on its own.

Clonazepam is a seriously potent benzo with 2mg= 20mg diazepam(oral) with a little less drowsiness but similar anxiolytic effects.
 
corpus callosum said:
Clonazepam is a seriously potent benzo with 2mg= 20mg diazepam(oral) with a little less drowsiness but similar anxiolytic effects.
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I'm familliar with it, I have a script for Clonazepam, 2mg pills. I would never compare what 2mg of Clonazapam does to me to what 20mg diazapam does to me. I think there is a big difference in these two medications. I do know that 4-6 mg of Clonazapam will completely abort/terminate any intense psychedelic hell ride. Usually if chewed up and taken sublingually it will kill a bad trip in about :20 minutes. If you like to flirt with very high doses from time to time these benzos are great to have around.
 
You are right IH,having some some potent benzos can be a life (or sanity-)saver!Diazepam is much more sedating but if one were to have a clonazepam habit the equipotent dose of diazepam is as mentioned above.In fact, some say clonazepam is even more potent than I suggested.My figures come from the British National Formulary which is a pretty reliable source!:)
 
I have tried benzo when I was younger, nothing I really liked about it. But I think benzo and psychedelics are somehow against each other. Benzo build more boundries in your mind while psychedelics dissolves them. Like somebody else wrote in this thread... If you freak out, have fears etc. then youre supposed to have them.
Dont think its a good combo, I would atleast not recommend it to anyone.
 
Mixing 1.5mg alprazolam and 25g MHRB was by far the smoothest experience I have had. However, I feel like it definitely lacked something: the profound sense of spiritual revelation was absent. Sure, there was no fear whatsoever, but I realized afterward that fear during an experience is not something that necessarily needs to be avoided, and is a vital component of realizing the areas of the psyche which need healing the most. Also, I cannot recall some of the more subtle details of the experience. This is not to say that I did not learn a great deal from the experience, but I feel the potential was greatly diminished. Then again, my motivation for this at the time was to provide a more recreational experience than spiritual. If one's intent is to enjoy the visions without the distractions of inner personal growth, this is a valid path to pursue.

My advice is, if you feel the need to reduce anxiety during the experience, to go very light on the dose of anxiolytic. 0.5 mg alprazolam, 5mg diazepam, or 0.5 mg clonazepam would probably allow for reduction in anxiety without much inhibition of benefits. This is speculation, however, as I have not combined the two since :)
 
Attempting to reduce the anxiety by taking bezos before entering into hyperspace really takes away from the experience. Anxiety is part of the voyage.

Face the fear. Take the pain.

Why is there a need to dullen your senses before you ingest a psychedelic that wants to do the exact opposite of a benzo.

Come on folks. What is the disconnect here? This isnt about doing drugs. Sorry if I sound like I'm going off, but I just dont get it.

Dont be a wuss! The only way the DMT experience or the ayahuasca experience is going to help you with your accute vaginitis is to respect the spice! Voyage. Face your fears.

Read through the FAQs here at the Nexus. The FAQs were put together by a collective of individuals that have allot of experience on this subject matter. The information was compiled to help you the reader to have the very most beneficial DMT experience possible. No where in these FAQs does it mention using CNS depessants to help you cope with anxiety and fear to get through the experience. Anxiety and fear are part of the process.

WTF?

Spend less time worrying about how to chemically alter yourself so you can not be afraid of the experience and spend more time in meditation and relaxation and you will benefit from the experience.

This is a very strange concept. Disturbing actually.

People want to ingest a substance that will take them to the beginning of time, to the ends of the universe and everywhere in between, and thats not even scratching the surface, but people are scared to do it so they are going to ingest another substance to take away their fears and in the process kill an important part of the experience that they were originally attempting to have?

Be real people. This is not what the DMT/aya experience is about. If you need to dope up in order to cope, you dont belong here. Your not ready for hyperspace. Stay away.
 
Without a doubt, the most rewarding psychedelic experiences are without anxiolytics being taken beforehand-the joy of conquering the fear which is inevitable when journeying in these realms is dulled by benzos.But for some people, reducing the pre-flight anxiety may allow them to go for it without such agents at a later stage.
 
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