Ayahuasca : Banisteriopsis Caapi + DMT freebase Questions ( + AI answer )

[watermelon555]

Hello,

I have some Banisteriopsis caapi - Extract 30:1 (100 ml from fresh Banisteriopsis caapi vines. ) and a good amount of DMT in freebase form.
Can I mix the two to make a small ayahuasca trip? How can I determine the appropriate dosages?

Is it possible to do microdosing or stronger doses with these ingredients?

Thanks for your help.


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Than I asked AI for this questions... What do you think ? .

AI answer :

Understanding the Ingredients

1. Banisteriopsis caapi: This vine contains harmala alkaloids (e.g., harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine), which are MAO inhibitors. These inhibitors allow DMT to be orally active by preventing its breakdown in the stomach.
2. DMT (Dimethyltryptamine): A powerful psychedelic compound that, when taken orally, requires an MAO inhibitor to be effective.

Preparing Your Ayahuasca Mix

1. Banisteriopsis caapi Extract: A 30:1 extract means it is 30 times more concentrated than the raw plant material. This makes dosing more precise and potent.
2. DMT Freebase: The freebase form of DMT is typically smoked or vaporized, but it can be used orally if combined with an MAO inhibitor like Banisteriopsis caapi.

Dosage Guidelines

Banisteriopsis caapi Extract:

• Light Dose: 1-2 ml (equivalent to approximately 30-60 grams of vine)
• Moderate Dose: 2-4 ml (equivalent to approximately 60-120 grams of vine)
• Strong Dose: 4-6 ml (equivalent to approximately 120-180 grams of vine)

DMT:

• Light Dose: 20-30 mg
• Moderate Dose: 30-50 mg
• Strong Dose: 50-70 mg

Combining the Ingredients

1. Microdosing: Typically, microdosing involves taking about 1/10th of a regular dose. For example:
   • Banisteriopsis caapi extract: 0.1-0.2 ml
   • DMT: 2-5 mg
2. Stronger Doses: For a full experience:
   • Banisteriopsis caapi extract: 3-4 ml
   • DMT: 30-50 mg

Steps to Mix and Administer

1. Prepare the Banisteriopsis caapi Extract: Measure out the desired dose and mix it with a small amount of water.
2. Measure the DMT: Weigh out the desired amount of DMT using a precise scale.
3. Combine: Mix the DMT with the Banisteriopsis caapi solution.
4. Ingest: Drink the mixture on an empty stomach for best absorption.

Safety Considerations

1. Start Low and Go Slow: Begin with a lower dose to gauge your reaction, as individual sensitivity can vary greatly.
2. Set and Setting: Ensure you are in a safe, comfortable environment with a sober sitter present if possible.
3. Health and Medications: MAO inhibitors can interact dangerously with various medications and substances. Ensure you are not taking anything that could cause adverse effects.
4. Integration: Take time to integrate your experiences, especially if they are profound.

Conclusion

Creating a small ayahuasca experience with Banisteriopsis caapi extract and DMT is possible with careful attention to dosing and safety. Microdosing is also an option for those looking to explore subtler effects. Always prioritize safety and start with lower doses to understand your personal response to the combination.

 

[Transform]

That's a fairly good write-up, although I wouldn't be alone here in suggesting you might want to familiarise yourself with the effects of the caapi first. Also, you don't really know whether the caapi extract reliably corresponds to 30 times the amount of plant material, so there's a risk you might start out by under-dosing the MAOI, miscalculate the DMT dose, and subsequently get more than you bargained for if you were to increase the doses of both components and suddenly experience a heavy dose of DMT with full MAO inhibition. See @Varallo's post here.

 

[watermelon555]

I will underdose my mix first of all, thanks for your response.

 

[doubledog]

Do not believe these ratios, these popular caapi extracts are very often much weaker than it could seems from the numbers. Once I've extracted proclaimed 20:1 extract (my friends complained that it is weak) and results were more like 4:1.

 

[spyfish]

If its the same 30:1 extract i have from a European web vendor (start with g, ends with a.nl), you should read the description on the website. Mine is 100ml thick paste 30:1, descriptions stated approximately 200-250mg active alkaloids per 25ml. Dosing based on 30:1 is likely bot gonna work. Also remember in the jungle its fresh vine they use, while we calculate on dried material. I suspect the 30:1 is based on fresh vine. So using 100g for example to calculate based on 30:1 isnt gonna work.

Don't take my word for it though, check with your vendor. Then test vine only perhaps based in that. Its also smart to take it separately, so if you feel enough effect the vine, you could go ahead and dose the light.

Personally i would brew some chakruna or chaliponga to use with the vine. The vine is especially difficult to home brew, so the extracts are great. Light ad mixes are very easy to brew.

For home experiments i always advice separate dosing of harmalas and light for safer dose control

 

[watermelon555]

If its the same 30:1 extract i have from a European web vendor (start with g, ends with a.nl), you should read the description on the website. Mine is 100ml thick paste 30:1, descriptions stated approximately 200-250mg active alkaloids per 25ml. Dosing based on 30:1 is likely bot gonna work. Also remember in the jungle its fresh vine they use, while we calculate on dried material. I suspect the 30:1 is based on fresh vine. So using 100g for example to calculate based on 30:1 isnt gonna work.

Don't take my word for it though, check with your vendor. Then test vine only perhaps based in that. Its also smart to take it separately, so if you feel enough effect the vine, you could go ahead and dose the light.

Personally i would brew some chakruna or chaliponga to use with the vine. The vine is especially difficult to home brew, so the extracts are great. Light ad mixes are very easy to brew.

For home experiments i always advice separate dosing of harmalas and light for safer dose control

How would you estimate the ratio? It must be complicated to know precisely, I imagine...
In ceremonies, I've always wondered if the Ayahuasca mix was truly homogeneous.

Yes, it's the same supplier. So we have the same product. Do you think it would be possible to mix it with a bit of water and a dose of freebase DMT?
Or do you recommend ingesting the paste directly, and then taking a bit of DMT afterward?

I would be happy to know what kind of mix you made and if you also used freebase DMT.

And one last question, how do you proceed with storage? In the fridge?
A big thank you for your response.

 

[spyfish]

How would you estimate the ratio? It must be complicated to know precisely, I imagine...
In ceremonies, I've always wondered if the Ayahuasca mix was truly homogeneous.

Yes, it's the same supplier. So we have the same product. Do you think it would be possible to mix it with a bit of water and a dose of freebase DMT?
Or do you recommend ingesting the paste directly, and then taking a bit of DMT afterward?

I would be happy to know what kind of mix you made and if you also used freebase DMT.

And one last question, how do you proceed with storage? In the fridge?
A big thank you for your response.

To be honest i havent tried it yet. But based on the estimated alkaloid concentration, id be aiming for 25ml. But probably test 5ml first as a safety test.

At home I take the harmalas separately 15-20 before. Dont eat the DMT freebase directly. Dissolve it into something acidic. Lemon juice or cola for example. And drink that. Unless you have DMT fumarate.

I havent done pharmahuasca yet. Ive done various ayahuasca analog brews. But I do plan to try Pharma with harmala HCL and DMT fumarate.

Should be able to keep months in fridge. I would just dillute in warm water and chug in down. Then the DMT 20’min later.

Please update if you try the extract. Again, i would first try maybe 5ml and see if that alone have effect. You will feel it significantly if it’s enough to proceed with DMT. Though i suspect 20-25 ml will be needed.

My plan is to try the extract with a ACBR brew. Just live acacia, its so different than MHBR.

 

[donfoolio]

As everybody said, you cannot know just from numbers.

The nexus and other harm reduction sources made quite a bit of work to show that concentrations of beta-carbolines in caapi ranges widely.

Sometimes 70 grams of plant material will be really strong, in other cases you would need the double to achieve the same effects.

You will have to do your tests before having a good feeling for the right dosage.

Even if it is material purchased from the same vendor as someone else, variation might occur. Living plants are not as stable in their alkaloid content than refunded pure crystalline extracts.

The extracts they sell are concentrated raw full spectrum extracts, so you can never know before.

 

[ChrisMMcD]

Or do you recommend ingesting the paste directly, and then taking a bit of DMT afterward?

Of course, you can do that. I would measure the dose of caapi paste, mix it with water and drink. Then take DMT dissolved in a bit of lemon juice to convert freebase to salt, then add some water to it and drink in 30-40 min after caapi.
That should definitely work whether the caapi amount is sufficient, you should feel the effect of caapi vine on itself.

 

[spyfish]

How would you estimate the ratio? It must be complicated to know precisely, I imagine...
In ceremonies, I've always wondered if the Ayahuasca mix was homogenous

Its also a good safety measure to give the extract a quick boil to kill bacteria. We always do this with jungle brew that has travelled far as well. Just to be safe

The ratios in the jungle vary highly, so many different “recipes” and ad mixture plants. Caapi is quite forgiving in high doses as its not so to toxic and not very strong. So you wont se them weighing the vine in the jungle. (But their brewing is routine) Syrian rue however is more toxic at high doses

At home with molecules and dried plant matter, being accurate with dosing is easier and very important. This is why i always keep the harmalas and light separate.
MHRB and ACRB for example are very strong. When i make a proper brew wirh my method using good bark, 3 gram worth of bark gets very strong.

Syrian rue 2-3 grams

 

[caballocansado]

Of course, you can do that. I would measure the dose of caapi paste, mix it with water and drink. Then take DMT dissolved in a bit of lemon juice to convert freebase to salt, then add some water to it and drink in 30-40 min after caapi.
That should definitely work whether the caapi amount is sufficient, you should feel the effect of caapi vine on itself.

Hi, I am kinda in the same situation as the author of the post. got a "30:1" extract. I´ve been told by the vendor:
"Our caapi extract is not standardized or measured in any way, so I can't provide a real ratio. The only fact is what I said: they used approx 30g of fresh plant to make 1g of extract, which can result in many different real values of content of active ingredients depending on how long it was boiled to make this extract, if plant was old or younger, fresh or older, how it was stored.... so only another thing I can have a reference on is my own experience. The last time I tried this extract, for purposes you are asking, I did 12g, and it was way too much. So I am recommending 8g max. I then end up using this extract as a main MAOI, and I am using pure alkaloids, so I know how much I am doing + a little bit of this extract, so it keeps me connected to this specific plant."

my question is.... if I take "enough" caapi, how should I feel?

 

[ChrisMMcD]

my question is.... if I take "enough" caapi, how should I feel?

I’d suggest starting with a lower amount, like 4 grams, and see how it works for you. Then you can increase the dose by 1 gram of the extract next time. Caapi is a very healing medicine on its own, and you’ll definitely notice the effects. It’s kind of like being sedated and uplifted, entering a dreamy, mellow state. You can see tracers and flashing visuals when you take enough for MAO inhibition.