Ayahuasca dosage

[ovitus]

I have an Ayahuasca 30X extract:

No sourcing links. Thank you

and DMT.

I have some experience vaping DMT.. I don't think I've fully broken through though, and I often mixed it with a dissociative to soften the trip.

I want to have a more authentic, prolonged experience. I think I will take a tea out of the extract and drink that, then wait a while before consuming the DMT? What would be correct dosage for these two? I emailed the vendor, but I don't know how much information they can provide.

Also, I believe I'm ready to endure this, but I want to mitigate any potentially dangerous outcomes. I would reckon having a sober sitter would be an obvious one. But what about setting. Should I try doing this somewhere isolated outdoors? pitch a tent? how long does it last and will I be capable of talking, walking, etc?

 

[the_Architect]

I wouldn´t call it an ayahuasca extract (it´s a caapi extract), since it only contains banisteropsis caapi (main MAOI containing plant) and not chacruna, the other plant that has a small amount of DMT.
That extract alone wouldn´t work as ayahuasca. As You are going to smoke DMT additionally... it doesn´t really matter.

I´ve tried those resins before... there´s no way to check the actual concentration, you have to take the vendors word. In my experience they are not as potent as they are advertised.

You could try a 30gr equivalent: 1gr of 30x extract= 30gr of plant. And wait for about one hour.

Take it easy with your vaping... if the extract is working, that means your brakes are broken and your feet is stuck in the throttle... take one inhalation at a time and wait a little bit to see the results, if you overdo, there´s no turning back.

Also: try having an empty stomach, both for the tea to make effect orally, and avoiding possible nausea caused by the caapi (no hotdogs, fast food, old cheese, smoked food, fermented food), check FAQ for more info on tyramine and MAOI´s.

Goodluck

 

[Sabnock1990]

Good to take on an empty stomach, but no need to avoid anything dietarily, there's no Tyramine interactions with reversible and selective MAO-A inhibition.

 

[Legarto Rey]

For sure caapi extracts are way more ergonomic v vine. Product, of course, matters. "Dieta" folklore when RIMA is generally just that, folklore. Now, a belly full of hot dogs embracing a serious ayahuasca/anahuasca journey, might be ill-advised!

Peace

 

[ovitus]

Thanks for the response.

The site I sourced it from is a bit misleading:

"Ayahuasca Mix 30X Paste B. caapi Ayahuasca plants “Strongest”
Ayahuasca + Chacruna + Chaliponga"

But the description:

"This paste was made with clean water only and freshly harvested Banisteriopsis Caapi Yellow."

I wasn't planning on vaping the DMT, unless perhaps that's a better RoA over eating it. Vaping might waste less material.. but then I think it would be more intense and shorten the duration of the trip.

Alkaloid estimate is 0.11-0.83% which is kind of a broad range. That's 33mg-249mg alkaloids in 1g of this 30x extract. So that averages about 141mg. Should I drink 2g then? What's a good amount for full MAOI inhibition?

as for the DMT dosage. I googled a bit and people are all over the place with how much to take. Is mg to kg a good way of measuring this? I weigh ~170lbs which is about 77kg. Is 77mg a good starting dose? Should I stagger my doses? I suppose that also depends on the RoA. I did plan on eating it after waiting about 45 minutes after caapi ingestion. Is that enough for open-eye visuals? I'm not looking for breakthrough, that I will save for vaping pure DMT in a GvG.

 

[the_Architect]

Well... so you want to have some sort of ayahausca trip, not an enhanced DMT vaping trip...
Ok, ayahuasca dosage is not clockwork, beggining with the alcoloid content of the plant... which can change.
During the ceremonies, the shamans would give you an initial cup, and one hour and a half later call for whoever wants to take a second cup. The second cup is enough for most people, but it could be possible that you need a third one or a fourth one (touristic shamans give you smaller amounts, other shamans might give you 3 times as much).
You could do that with your caapi tea, I highly doubt the concentration is as high as the vendor says.

With regard to the ingest of oral DMT... well, the DMT content is chacruna is about 0.1%?... Caapi to chacruna Ratio is 1:1?, I doubt this, I was lucky to watch aya being cooked, chacruna content seemed far less.
So, you could say you need 30mgr of DMT for 30 gr os caapi... or 60mgr of DMT for 60gr of caapi (2gr of 30x extract).
I´m not sure about dmt-chacruna digestion... in aya you take the tea and probably takes some time to digest it, with free based spice I´m not sure... seems more direct, probably a good idea to wait for the caapi to kick in.

Lastly: You mentioned open eyes visuals... aya is not like DMT, it last longer and has some effect on your body. I recommend you to do ayahuasca with a shaman the first time. It´s not just a drug, it´s an open gate for the spirits, shamans do ending rituals after the ceremony is over, and sometimes perform exorcism during the ceremony, I have seen it.

Also, you might experience things like numbness, decrease in body temperature and yawning, that´s how the spirits enter your body (what people say). And of course, vomiting, diarrea, difficulty in breathing, crying or a lot of nasal mucus... ayahuasca heals your body, it takes bad things out of it, the process can be hard.