ayahuasca dose question

[Parshvik Chintan]

right, so i got a brew made with 114g caapi, and 28g mhrb.
how many (fairly strong) doses can i get out of this?

i was thinking like... 5?
maybe 6?

i couldn't find any information on multiple dose brews.

 

[Global]

With ayahuasca I tend to think in doses of 50g caapi and 4-5g mimosa. So on the mimosa end that gives you roughly 6-7 doses but only two on the caapi end. If it's not potent enough for you, you could of course have the extra mimosa doses on standby

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

With ayahuasca I tend to think in doses of 50g caapi and 4-5g mimosa. So on the mimosa end that gives you roughly 6-7 doses but only two on the caapi end. If it's not potent enough for you, you could of course have the extra mimosa doses on standby

well logic would dictate the more dmt you have the less inhibitor you would need, yes?
also i am kind of looking to dose multiple people,
guess i am going to have dose myself ahead of time
why is life always so difficult?
/sarcasm

 

[Global]

Not necessarily. You need a certain amount of MAOI for inhibition. If you don't hit that mark, then no amount of DMT will take any effect. Now theoretically you can get inhibition with less than 50g caapi, but 50 is a rather safe number in this case and aiming low may lead to disappointment. I suppose you could dose one other person including yourself. In the past, I've also gotten ahead of myself in terms of what I've prepared and what I want to share, so don't worry about it too much. You can always just order more caapi and be a little patient (as hard as I know that it can be )

 

[Al Dimentiz]

In my personal experience 50g of caapi was too much. If it's your first time and you might want to get to know the medicine first and start with 25g of caapi, and 3g of MHRB. But if you want a full breakthrough then by all means take 50g.

 

[obliguhl]

I agree. Start with a lower caapi amount in case you are sensitive. Like Al Dimentiz said, around 30 could be enough. So you would have around 3 doses.

 

[ragabr]

This is the first time I've ever heard of 50g caapi being too much. How much admixture did you use?

 

[gibran2]

Keep in mind that alkaloid content of caapi can vary considerably – from less than 0.25% to more than 3%. So a very strong caapi can be over ten times as potent as a weak caapi.

I’ve had black caapi where brew from 15g was very strong. I can’t imagine what 50g of that brew would have done to me. :shock:

 

[jamie]

I have yet to ever experience that much of a difference between types of caapi. I guess it is possible but in no way is it the norm.

 

[jamie]

right, so i got a brew made with 114g caapi, and 28g mhrb.
how many (fairly strong) doses can i get out of this?

i was thinking like... 5?
maybe 6?

i couldn't find any information on multiple dose brews.

I would leave that brew in the fridge if I were you and get more caapi..brew up more caapi and add it to the brew so that you have at least 50g of caapi per dose..if you only drink 20-30g of caapi it wont be like a full ayahuasca brew really becasue the DMT will just overpower the harmalas. A high dose of harmalas with less DMT is far more desired in my opinion.

 

[gibran2]

I have yet to ever experience that much of a difference between types of caapi. I guess it is possible but in no way is it the norm.

I’m just reporting my findings from extractions I’ve done:

· I’ve extracted from 3 or 4 lots of black caapi from vendor A. One yielded just over 3%, and the remaining all yielded about 2%.

· I got a yield of about 1% from a lot of yellow caapi from vendor B.

· A lot of red caapi from vendor A yielded 0.3%.

Two vendors, three colors, and 5 or 6 lots, using the same extraction techniques for all. I can attest to the fact that the 2% black caapi was strong: A brew from 15g was nearly the strongest caapi-only experience I’ve had. I’ve also had up to 300mg extracted alkaloids, and they were just about as strong.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

In my personal experience 50g of caapi was too much. If it's your first time and you might want to get to know the medicine first and start with 25g of caapi, and 3g of MHRB. But if you want a full breakthrough then by all means take 50g.

not my first time, but everyone elses.

right, so i got a brew made with 114g caapi, and 28g mhrb.
how many (fairly strong) doses can i get out of this?

i was thinking like... 5?
maybe 6?

i couldn't find any information on multiple dose brews.

I would leave that brew in the fridge if I were you and get more caapi..brew up more caapi and add it to the brew so that you have at least 50g of caapi per dose..if you only drink 20-30g of caapi it wont be like a full ayahuasca brew really becasue the DMT will just overpower the harmalas. A high dose of harmalas with less DMT is far more desired in my opinion.

i thought harmalas were in rue only.

also imo dmt >
but that is just me.

I agree. Start with a lower caapi amount in case you are sensitive. Like Al Dimentiz said, around 30 could be enough. So you would have around 3 doses.

well its two people and me so that works out perfectly


thank you everyone for your help
(p.s. it was white caapi, slightly wider than thumb in length, so fairly young i would assume)

 

[jamie]

both rue and caapi are harmala sources..rue is largely harmine and harmaline, and some pinoline..and other harmalas..caapi is largely harmine and THH, and some harmaline and other harmalas.

DMT is in mimosa. There is no DMT in rue. Both rue and caapi contain harmalas as the maoi's.

Your brew at 30g of caapi with that much mimosa may be enough to activate the mimosa..but it will be short lived and wont have the same glow at ayahuasca with say, 60-100g has..ayahuasca is about the caapi in my opinion. If you only use just enough harmalas to activate DMT, than it seems to feel less empowering in my experience. I dunno how else to explain it. The mimosa may very well be active but it might just be a strong DMT flood that is short lived without the dreamy qaulity of realistic visions that larger doses of harmalas provide. The afterglow is stronger with more caapi as well as the "healing" I find.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

both rue and caapi are harmala sources..rue is largely harmine and harmaline, and some pinoline..and other harmalas..caapi is largely harmine and THH, and some harmaline and other harmalas.

DMT is in mimosa. There is no DMT in rue. Both rue and caapi contain harmalas as the maoi's.

Your brew at 30g of caapi with that much mimosa may be enough to activate the mimosa..but it will be short lived and wont have the same glow at ayahuasca with say, 60-100g has..ayahuasca is about the caapi in my opinion. If you only use just enough harmalas to activate DMT, than it seems to feel less empowering in my experience. I dunno how else to explain it. The mimosa may very well be active but it might just be a strong DMT flood that is short lived without the dreamy qaulity of realistic visions that larger doses of harmalas provide. The afterglow is stronger with more caapi as well as the "healing" I find.

well i gotta work with what i have, and what i have is 3x 38g caapi/ 9.3g mimosa doses.
i feel that will be adequate. especially since its my friends' first time
only enough to activate the mimosa maybe, but there is a lot of mimosa to activate.

i thought harmalas were named after the rue plant so i was mistaken, i have no experience with or knowledge of rue.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

what i have is 3x 38g caapi/ 9.3g mimosa doses.
i feel that will be adequate. especially since its my friends' first time

well once again i am wrong.
none of us got anything but a mild body high : /

do you think the dose was too low or did i fuck up the brew?

 

[ragabr]

Well, it takes a few times to get the hang of brewing, in general, and those were really low doses of vine you were working with.

 

[Global]

I agree. If I had to take a guess I would say it was from the low dose of vine. You don't have any extracted DMT do you?

 

[olympus mon]

none of us got anything but a mild body high : /

do you think the dose was too low or did i fuck up the brew?

fractal and others have told you multiple times you dont have enough harmalas/caapi for proper maoi this is why you only felt threshold effects. maybe try 50-60g caapi next time. its best to not brew your caapi and dmt admixture together unless you know your proper dosing. brew them separate so you can increase or de-crease your caapi doses without being forced to drink more admixture because its all mixed together.

aya can be tricky at first. best thing to do is listen closely to what those with more experience are suggesting.

good luck