Ayahuasca smoothie, for a very beginner.

[Nerex]

Hello everyone. I've been lurking on the Nexus for some time now and finally, after months reading a lot about DMT and psychedelics in general, I've decided to make the big step: to start my psychedelic adventure with Ayahuasca!

I was thinking about brew it as greatly illustrated on the ms_manic_minxx topic; but meanshile I've found this method: http://encyclopediapsychonautica.org/index.php?title=Ayahuasca_Smoothie, which seems to be easier and quicker to do, though it may sound like a "disrespectful" way to visit the Hyperspace.
With a quick searching on the forum I haven't found anything about it, so I have some doubts to be cleared before place my first order; here they are:

1) Is the "Ayahuasca smoothie" a valid way to consume Ayahuasca, in your opinion?
2) Which would be an appropriate dosage (Mimosa + Harmala) for a stater?
3) Any general sauggestions for my first experience?

Your answers will be much appreciated.

 

[obliguhl]

I don't think you'd want to savour the taste. Just reduce it properly and knock it back.
Also, who cares about methods of consumption. You are the only one who can tell if a method feels right to you. There is no "Ayahuasca Tribunal" judging your very moves. :?:

 

[Messengerthe6]

I would suggest you just brew and sip the way it's been done for thousands of years. Smoothie of aya?

I'm not too sure about the mixture of mimosa and harmalas.

And honestly, for a psychedelic like DMT, i like to be by myself, in my room, in my covers, complete silence. Anything else can be a distraction for your journey. although you can take it how you want, i just suggest what terrence mckenna suggests

My question for you is, how did you get ahold of mimosa if it's been taken off of the web?
Mod edit: No discussion of sourcing Please read the Attitude_Page

 

[Nerex]

Of course, oblighul. It just seems that a lot of people around here take the ceremonial / shamanic clihé very seriously.

 

[Nerex]

My question for you is, how did you get ahold of mimosa if it's been taken off of the web?

REMOVED Please read the Attitude_Page without any problems, as far as I know.

 

[obliguhl]

Of course, oblighul. It just seems that a lot of people around here take the ceremonial / shamanic clihé very seriously.

I don't think so...but even if: Why does it have any implications on how you plan to do things ? Many people here are very adamant about safety procedures and with good reason. Would it be hurtful to take ayahuasca in a smoothie? Or a pancake for that matter ?

I'm quoting my opinion of 2010

For me, Ayahuasca is a gift for those who are willing to make sacrifices.
Those who are really SEEKING Ayahuasca should just DRINK it...not eating some tasty chocolate balls with ayahuasca in it.

But that is MY opinion. What is yours? I'd suggest to just drink it, but if you want it in a fancy drink or even in a three course meal - go ahead. I don't really understand why, but why should that matter to you?

I guess you are not living in the amazon, so why would "amazonian" culture apply to you?
Perhaps just ask the ayahuasca how it wants to be consumed and then do that.

 

[endlessness]

As obli said, you can do it any way you want. Saying `how it`s been done for thousands of years` is appeal to tradition fallacy, it`s not really an argument for or against it. Some indigenous groups also took caapi only, or even just chewed caapi, or mixed it with datura, and we`re not recommending that...

Personally I wouldn`t take a smoothie with ayahuasca because it will taste horrible. Funny story: Once I had taken ayahuasca and someone in the circle mentioned the idea of making `ayahuasca bread`, and the mere thought made me immediately vomit LOL.

I think best is to reduce ayahuasca a lot and drink as fast as possible, or to extract dmt and harmalas and take them dissolved in small acidic solution or capsules (though the effects might arguably be somewhat differently).

 

[Nerex]

Actually guys I needed to know, saying "valid", if it's "good to do in order to get a worthy result"; I din't meant if "it is -acceptable- or not". Of course I would't care about this second option, I just needed some inputs about its efficiency for I can't find a worthy amount of information about that type of preparation.

I choose it because it seems to be very, very quick to prepare if compared to the tradional simmering way. That's all.
The "it may sound like a "disrespectful" way to visit the Hyperspace" was just to say that I know someone would consider it negatively around here.

And of course I'm not planning to do it because it's fancy or because I think it would taste any good; it just seems that this recipe take less material and much less time to prepare.

Maybe I'm just lacking in English proficiency.

 

[Entheogenerator]

Actually guys I needed to know, saying "valid", if it's "good to do in order to get a worthy result"; I din't meant if "it is -acceptable- or not". Of course I would't care about this second option, I just needed some inputs about its efficiency for I can't find a worthy amount of information about that type of preparation.

I choose it because it seems to be very, very quick to prepare if compared to the tradional simmering way. That's all.
The "it may sound like a "disrespectful" way to visit the Hyperspace" was just to say that I know someone would consider it negatively around here.

And of course I'm not planning to do it because it's fancy or because I think it would taste any good; it just seems that this recipe take less material and much less time to prepare.

Maybe I'm just lacking in English proficiency.

As long as you get the two plant teachers into your gut somehow, I'm fairly certain it will work. Dose should be about the same regardless of the method of ingestion.

Nice avatar, King Crimson rules!

 

[Nerex]

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I think that was all I needed to know. : D In fact, I was thinking about swallow the Peganum Harmala (2.5 or 3g) with some gelatine capsules. Same method for the ingestion of powdered MHRB or ACRB, or maybe using an orange juice. That would be the easiest and quickest way, I guess.

In The Court Of The Crimson King is pure greatness.

 

[Entheogenerator]

I have heard of a lot of people using capsules and it seems to work very well for them. I might suggest breaking the rue and rootbark up as much as possible before capping them, like with a coffee grinder even. Bigger pieces may delay onset.

 

[Warrior]

I like to brew a concentrated ayahuasca analogue, keep the lot in a bottle in the fridge, and put 5-10mL in my vitamixed smoothie for regular microdosing. It's the easiest way to drink it. I don't have to taste it, which means none of the negative emotions that come with that. I have a little something healthy to digest along with it, which seems helpful. And it's still liquid if you were to dose higher and needed to purge.

It's the best of all worlds, as far as I can tell. If drank on an empty stomach the effects are as profound as drinking it straight, with the same time to onset, etc. Same thing.

 

[Nerex]

I have heard of a lot of people using capsules and it seems to work very well for them. I might suggest breaking the rue and rootbark up as much as possible before capping them, like with a coffee grinder even. Bigger pieces may delay onset.

Thanks for the suggestions, Entheogenerator. : )

I like to brew a concentrated ayahuasca analogue, keep the lot in a bottle in the fridge, and put 5-10mL in my vitamixed smoothie for regular microdosing. It's the easiest way to drink it. I don't have to taste it, which means none of the negative emotions that come with that. I have a little something healthy to digest along with it, which seems helpful. And it's still liquid if you were to dose higher and needed to purge.

It's the best of all worlds, as far as I can tell. If drank on an empty stomach the effects are as profound as drinking it straight, with the same time to onset, etc. Same thing.

Which plants (MAOI + DMT) are you using for that, Warrior? And which dosages?

 

[Sabnock]

Hey Nerex, you could perhaps try brewing up some Mimosa or Acacia root bark, combine several boils from the same bark in order to get everything, add a few egg whites in and boil/reduce down the brew. After filtering, further reducing, a freeze/thaw step and filtering again, you're left with a translucent red or orangey red tea that is practically tasteless and goes down nice and easy. I personally, mix my Acacia tea with Lemon Balm tea, add some sugar (or if you prefer, some honey or whatnot) and drink, but a smoothie outta Lemon Balm and Acacia or Mimosa or even Chaliponga or Chakruna, would be very yummy i'd imagine, as long as you brew with egg whites that is.

And you can of course encapsulate the Syrian Rue seed, or you can do what i prefer to do and extract from the Rue seed using baking soda turned into washing soda (bicarbonate to carbonate), and simply encapsulate a dose of the extract powder (or purified Harmala powder) into a single capsule.

A smoothie, or even jello made using a cleaned DMT-containing brew, to me sounds good and i don't imagine i'd have any problem ingesting it

 

[Nerex]

I've just placed my order, once it will be delivered experiments will begun!

I've read your topic about the Lemon Balm tea; you've said interesting things about it, and not only for the taste. It's another idea for sure.

I think that I'll keep taking Syrian Rue in capsules (2 of them with 1.5g each should do) and brewing just the "light": 30 minutes x 3 times should do the work.
What about using just the egg whites thing (I've read about it) and not freezing/thawing it? What would be difference?

I'd prefer to save time using the fastest/efficent methong I'll be able to do. : )

 

[Sabnock]

Yeah, you don't have to freeze and thaw it (that's just my personal touch), and they say you can just let it sit in the fridge overnight (so that the remaining sediment can fall to the bottom) and by morning you can simply filter it off. I don't know why i freeze and thaw it instead of just letting it sit in the fridge, but it's good either way

 

[Warrior]

Which plants (MAOI + DMT) are you using for that, Warrior? And which dosages?

ACRB + Syrian rue. Dosage for 5mL is 0.75g ACRB + 0.45g SR. For reference, 30mL of this is a harrowing adventure (4.5g ACRB + 2.7g SR).