Ayahuasca v. Pharmahuasca

[TheUknown]

Travelers,
I am new to this forum and would like to get some advice from experienced users. I recently tried DMT for the first time last week and found it to be unlike any psychedelic I have previously explored with. I smoked it out of a wood pipe and got positive results, but I know that I did not make a significant breakthrough. I was wondering since I cannot perfectly master the method of smoking, which would be a better way to prepare an adventure, the traditional South American route or the less traditional, pharmahuasca route? Also, is ingesting DMT orally, compared to smoking, any less intense or is it less likely to have a breakthrough? Thanks for any input.

 

[Global]

Travelers,
I am new to this forum and would like to get some advice from experienced users. I recently tried DMT for the first time last week and found it to be unlike any psychedelic I have previously explored with. I smoked it out of a wood pipe and got positive results, but I know that I did not make a significant breakthrough. I was wondering since I cannot perfectly master the method of smoking, which would be a better way to prepare an adventure, the traditional South American route or the less traditional, pharmahuasca route? Also, is ingesting DMT orally, compared to smoking, any less intense or is it less likely to have a breakthrough? Thanks for any input.

As long as you already have your DMT crystals, the easiest way to go about it would be pharmahuasca. Afterall, you know exactly how much DMT you're getting and the preparation isn't nearly as complicated. I'm not quite sure what you mean by adventure. If you take either pharma or aya, I wouldn't be too worried about straying very far. I would set up a comfortable place to leave your body. If you mean an adventure in your mind, then that's a different story. Ingesting DMT orally is generally less intense compared to smoking, and in my experience it's harder to achieve a breakthrough like this, but that's just me. However, having said that, if you choose to smoke DMT after having taken aya/pharma, a breakthrough would be nothing short of impending

 

[polytrip]

There is no major difference between ayahuasca and pharmahuasca. Or rather..ayahuasca is different every time, anyway. Every type of vine is slightly different, rue is different from vine, etc...so in thát sense, it realy doesn´t matter that much.

 

[endlessness]

As polytrip said ^

Though I did notice that, for me and a few people at last, there seem to be more pharma missfires than with ayahuasca. Dont know if there is something about the ayahuasca's non-active ingredients that affect the bioavailability or absorption of alkaloids for some reason, or if it's the small trace amounts of other active or synergystic alkaloids that might not come across an extraction.. But I wouldn't say ayahuasca is better or whatever, I've also had some amazing pharma trips that were very enlightening, and I like that one carry it easily (dont do it where it's illegal). Also for introducing some people, this + lemon oil and/or ginger to prevent nause is a good combination.

Working with ayahuasca can be amazing too though, and also with rue/mimosa, but I dont work with them anymore appart from extracting because I feel it too harsh on my body. With ayahuasca the plant material/tannins/whatever that make it taste strong and also be purgative, are in a manageable level for me (or maybe I just got used to it? ), and I take the harshness when it comes as a lesson to learn, to be stronger. Thats also what I did with rue/mimosa, and had some life transforming experiences, but I felt that long term I did not want to ingest (at least regularly) whole rue and mimosa brews.

 

[TheUknown]

Wonderful, thanks for the advice. I will definitely be trying anything to prevent nausea. I am looking forward to this and will be preparing in every possible way.

 

[jamie]

oral DMT is NOT less intense than smoking..not by a long shot man. You can smoke a tiny dose of DMT, or you can smoke a large dose..same with ayahuasca or pharma. You can breakthrough with oral DMT, and it leaves vaped DMT looking like a puddle in comparison to the vast ocean of ayahuasca/pharma/other oral brews.

That does not mean that everyone breaks through becasue usually people just drink a moderate dose of DMT with a good dose of harmalas..which also makes it different..more spirit in it I find. That is just me though. When you drink alot though, and you get up the nerve to drink more and more, you eventually hit that mark and then you learn. It is like going to college for the first time and everything before that point was high school, if that.

Smoking DMT is insane and very very powerful, it is just so short lived. You can get to the same depth with ayahuasca, the only difference is that you stay there for a few hours-and that fact alone changes everything. The harmalas taken orally def add to the experience as well, though you can take harmalas and then smoke DMT. IME changa does not compare to oral harmalas+DMT

 

[tetra]

Smoking DMT is insane and very very powerful, it is just so short lived. You can get to the same depth with ayahuasca, the only difference is that you stay there for a few hours-and that fact alone changes everything. The harmalas taken orally def add to the experience as well, though you can take harmalas and then smoke DMT. IME changa does not compare to oral harmalas+DMT

Totally agree. All my trips are pharma trips with the changa bong at hand in case I want to go really far. I think I'm in a rare lucky class, though, since I never feel the least bit sick on pharma. I can take up to six grams encapsulated syrian rue with absolutely no ill effects, though my standard dose is 4-4.5 grams.

Give me pharma or give me death!