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It's heavy naptha, recommended by some UK foafs. Cheap, easily available in inconspicuously large quantities and doesn't smell, but it hardly evaporates so no idea if it's clean... evap test has been sitting around in a cup for days and still only half gone so it'll be full of dust by the time it's evaporated so won't be possible to tell how clean it is.

Do peeps only use it for freeze precip, and does it pull well?

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One could possibly assume that is fine. Hypothetically speaking, people have used it with a fair amount of success. But it does take time to evaporate, therefore one could possibly freeze-precip each pull and use the same solvent for the next one.

One could also have been using some zippo lighter fluid or shellsol-t because it evaporates much much faster. The evaporate might have been easily recrystallised using the premium low odour should one desires to go that way.
 
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Bartoline's completely clean, foaf stuck in the oven on low heat to aid evaporation (bought this stuff after Coleman fuel failed miserably). Freeze precip just seems a little scary for foaf's first experiment and will require more research... but it would be his ultimate goal to do it this way anyway, so maybe he'll just have to do it properly first time around. Can't wait, he's sick of being sick on aya, he hates harmaline/harmine!

All the shops round him only sell Ronsonol which seems to have a bad rep, and he doesn't want to buy online.
 
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Anyone tried B&Q's white spirit? Much cheaper than Bartoline (£5 for 4 litres) and supposedly contains only Naptha (from B&Q site) although the back of the label says [turpentine substitute(white spirit) Naptha (Petroleum) ] so I am not sure.

Just wondering if this product would be useful due to its cheapness?
 
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White Spirit, Turpentine substitute, Bartoline low odour white spirit and most of the stuff that can be bought from Britain's hardware stores are dreadful when it comes to evaporation. SWIM's FOAF really hates them, he used to use them for crystallisation, how he's using other methods that do not require any solvent evaporation or freeze precipitation.

But he had been using Ronsonol, or any other zippo lighter fuel in the past, whichever was cheaper at that time. He always had great success, without problems at all. And zippo lighter fuels evaporate much much (and I mean much much) faster, even though they are quite pricey. Do your homework however and check for residue upon evaporation before extracting.

The price should not be a problem. This guy was actually reusing the solvent again and again, basically freeze precipitate a pull, retrieve the solvent and use it for the subsequent pull(s). He would do 20-30 pulls (well, over a period of many months...) before he decided to evaporate the solvent and recrystallise the leftover spice in fresh lighter fuel.

ohayoco said:
Freeze precip just seems a little scary for foaf's first experiment and will require more research...
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Nothing really scary or complicated here! Instead of leaving the solvent to evaporate, one can just stick it in the freezer for a day or 2 and he'll have precipitate spice, almost ready to use.
 
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geeg30 said:
Infundibulum said:
how he's using other methods that do not require any solvent evaporation or freeze precipitation.
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Read from the pure dmt fumarate from freebase dmt thread. The method is vaguely underlined from page 4 onwards. It works perfectly for SWIM and for quite a few SWIMs that have tried it so far.

Roughly, one needs xylene as the non-polar solvent, fumaric acid (can be bought from health supply stores as treatment for psoriasis), and acetone to get the alkaloids from any source in salt form (as their fumarate salt). Conversion to their smokeable freebase form can be achieved by using some sodium carbonate or calcium hydroxide, water and acetone.

The whole process is no slower (actually faster) than the standard methodology, (especially if one has to wait for freeze-precipitations or solvent evaporation). It results in total alkaloid isolation (spice, jungle spice, dmt-N-oxide, whatever-the-plant-has) in very pure form, no lipid or other impurities.
 
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Thanks. Foaf's using it because he couldn't get ANY of the other clean alternatives and he was looking a while (only dirty Ronsonol in local shops, and the Coleman fuel he bought locally had nasty looking impurities). Thinks he'll evap the first pull just because he's been waiting so long to try smoking spice (so far has only drank aya and he's fed up of the puking), then he'll experiment with freeze precip with the next pulls.

Is it ok to evap it in an (electric!) oven at a low heat to speed up the evap process? (This is what he did with the evap test to check its clean, but he's wondering if it would be safe or hurt the spice?)

With Lazyman's tek the Bartoline just disappeared into the sludge after stirring as required by the instructions! Perhaps not helped by using powdered MHRB instead of bits. The resulting emulsion hasn't separated after 2 hours :/
 
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Unless your oven is on a ridiculously low heat theres a good chance you'll vape your goodies PLUS inflamable vapour inside a contained space with heat source is a very bad idea PLUS do you want your food to taste of white spirit, however 'odourless'?
I evap solvents, in small increments, on top of my water heater with the kitchen door wide open. With white spirit you need a lot of patience.
 
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fourthripley said:
Unless your oven is on a ridiculously low heat theres a good chance you'll vape your goodies PLUS inflamable vapour inside a contained space with heat source is a very bad idea PLUS do you want your food to taste of white spirit, however 'odourless'?
I evap solvents, in small increments, on top of my water heater with the kitchen door wide open. With white spirit you need a lot of patience.
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Yes that's what he thought but he wanted to ask just in case... teks talk about heating naptha on the electric hob so it's not inconceivable that in the oven with the oven door open and the dial half way between 50 and 0 would be ok. Safety first though, so above the radiator it is (under supervision) and next to the window when he's asleep.
 
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^^There are ways to aid in the seperation of emulsions or to make seperation quicker.

Some tips:

1- Never shake violently it is uneccessary and makes emulsions worse.

2- add more solvent or water. I am unsure what stage you are at but rinsing with more solvent helps things seperate.

3- One can also start collecting the parts that are already seperated and worry about the emulsions later. each time one does this the emulsion should get less and less.

Also it is safe to evaporate at low temperatures 40 degrees C is the max SWIM would use. SWIM always does this with plant extracts under reduced pressure (SWIM works in lab setting) and its no problem. But its very quick for SWIM so other wanted compounds do not have time to evaporate away. The time is more of a concern in the situations that most people do this kind of work in. Also never use open flames for obvious reasons.
 
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18 days later... first pull is still evaporating (!), second pull was freeze precipitated and there's over a gram of salty stuff in the filter paper, woohoo! Looking forward to testing it... :)
 
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ohayoco said:
18 days later... first pull is still evaporating (!), second pull was freeze precipitated and there's over a gram of salty stuff in the filter paper, woohoo! Looking forward to testing it... :)
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Yeah, one has to wait a good 2-3 months for this bloody piece-of-shit solvent to evaporate (if left at room temperature without a fan or something). In the meantime, grow mushies!
 
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Foaf decided he likes it now. For evaporation yes it's rubbish. But for freeze precipitation it seems to work just as well as Swan lighter fuel (which he found in Sainsburys, easy source for UK foafs!). Bartoline is super-cheap and it doesn't all evaporate away when you're pulling, so you can give it a stir then go to bed and collect the next day. And it smells fine, hardly noticeable with the tiniest amount of ventilation. Foaf will carry on using it, using Swan only when he wants to evaporate... for example, when he cleans goodies from coffee filter paper and jars.

A question though... after freeze precip, how much spice is left hiding in the solvent? Because if there's a lot in there, maybe Bartoline isn't so great, because one has to either keep it hidden in there indefinitely, or evaporate at some point...

Also, he started off with 2 litres, but can only account for 1 litre (total evaporated or in the freezer). Did the other litre get sucked up by the brown goo? He suspects so, he put half a litre in for his most recent pull but only just over a quarter came out. If it is hidden in the goo, is there any way of getting it out again at the end? Maybe add more water, he's guessing?
 
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