Being Conscious While Using DMT.

[Mel Angel]

I smoked alot of DMT and am just coming down now. I live in an area around trees and vegetation. I just stared out my window and the trees just exploded with brilliant, green color and danced, while changing shape in the wind. I think it's funner now to interact with the environment while tripping. Is it normal to be conscious while tripping hard, because I smoked well over 100 mg, of high quality DMT? It's worth mentioning though I gradually smoked it.

It took me 30 minutes to smoke all of it, so that is probably why I didn't drift to subconscious hyperspace. I have before. I think I prefer interacting with the environment. Particularly, staring at trees. This was the funnest, most interesting 30 minutes of my life, most definitely. Now I'm going to want to do this every day. Does anyone have any experience with using DMT everyday, or 3 to 5 days a week, because I really wouldn't mind using more often now?? I'm just worried about tolerance. So what is maximum amount of usage one can partake in without developing a tolerance?

 

[tele]

Is it normal to be conscious while tripping hard, because I smoked well over 100 mg, of high quality DMT?

First of all there is no need to smoke 100mg, unless you have poor vaporization device where most is wasted.

Use the search function to get info on proper vaporizing. I see one of the major questions here is why the effects are mild or seeing people loading higher than usual doses. With proper device breakthrough can be achieved from 25mg.

Considering the amount of new members going through the same questions it would be nice to guide them to the FAQ after they register(or is this already effective?)

On "consciousness": I love DMTs feature that it doesn't mess with the thoughts and when I'm in hyperspace I feel completely conscious and "totally myself", even when I'm interacting and dealing with jesters, gnomes and what not. That is what I love about it, it is conscious exploring of that which is beyond words.

Does anyone have any experience with using DMT everyday, or 3 to 5 days a week, because I really wouldn't mind using more often now??

Tolerance isn't an issue but I would not recommend using such a powerful substance too often, listen to your mind and body on how often you should smoke. Remember it can be also a dark experience(sometimes things like over use can trigger unpleasant experiences) and should always be respected and not used for high seeking.

 

[Mel Angel]

I need a better vaporizing pipe, particularly, one with a long chamber. I made mine. I got a small halogen light bulb that I turned into a bowl, and stuffed steel wool in it. It's actually kind of cool. But I'll eventually get something nicer. As for the 100 mg comment.

I didn't pack 100mg, probably half that. It's just the dmt builds up in the steel wool from previous uses and it may be more, but not really sure.

I can't get over what I saw when looking at those trees out my window and the complex geometric shapes they took on blew my mind; everything I saw became the trees as well, like they were moving closer and closer, just closing in on me.

I even looked at an icon in my room. I'm not really religious anymore, more of an agnostic, but the halo on the virgin mary started glowing and changing shape, and I asked the icon if it was real; it didn't answer back though but I felt like there was some entity nearby.
So I had quite the experience. When I typed the original post I was literally just coming down and had such a euphoric trip that I didn't want it to end. I'm definitely going to use at least 3 days a week but no more than 5. If that works out well that will be pretty awesome.

 

[gibran2]

...
It took me 30 minutes to smoke all of it, so that is probably why I didn't drift to subconscious hyperspace. I have before. I think I prefer interacting with the environment. Particularly, staring at trees.

Your use of DMT barely scratches the surface of what it is capable of doing.

Have you ever considered taking a breakthrough dose (approx. 30mg) in a short period of time, then closing your eyes?

If you prefer interacting with the environment, such as staring at trees, it's possible to have an enjoyable time without any added substances at all.

 

[joedirt]

...
It took me 30 minutes to smoke all of it, so that is probably why I didn't drift to subconscious hyperspace. I have before. I think I prefer interacting with the environment. Particularly, staring at trees.

Your use of DMT barely scratches the surface of what it is capable of doing.

Have you ever considered taking a breakthrough dose (approx. 30mg) in a short period of time, then closing your eyes?

If you prefer interacting with the environment, such as staring at trees, it's possible to have an enjoyable time without any added substances at all.

Laying in bed(or where ever) with eyes closed can also been ejoyable without additional substances no?

 

[jamie]

people often assume that laying down in the darkness is the best way to use psychedelics..or even the best way to always go deep. This has not necessarily been true in my experience. The closed eye silent darkness thing just takes you deep into the thing without adding other elements..but it does not mean something else does not open up between you and other elements when you work with psychedelics in different ways.

You can go very deep in a very different way by taking DMT or mushrooms in nature and looking at plants..I have felt like I was passing through a tree before into some kind of inner or underworld with mushrooms. I actaully first starting smoking DMT up in a tree overlooking the ocean on top of a cliff(yes dangerous I know dont do this)..I had been taking mushrooms in that tree for a few years and started working with DMT in light vaped doses and often the tree would come to life they way things would with mushrooms. It is a level of nature interaction that is very shamanic and very different from the closed eyes silent darkness thing.

Go eat mushrooms in the middle of thick rainforest and you will never question what I am talking about.

 

[Mel Angel]

...

If you prefer interacting with the environment, such as staring at trees, it's possible to have an enjoyable time without any added substances at all.

Trees or whatever do not change into complex kaleidoscopic, geometric shapes when your sober. Did you mean something else because I'm not following what you meant? I have smoked 30 mg in two quick hits before, and laid down and closed my eyes. It didn't compare to what I saw. I should mention that I was standing, and leaning on my bedroom window. My forehead was touching the window . I had a hard time standing. I thought I was going to fall through the window at first. I may just go outside tomorrow and walk through the woods; I just don't want some mosquito ruining my trip though. I think if you want to interact with the environment while taking a breakthrough hit, it is possible not to lose consciousness. Maybe your brain knows not to completely faint and fall, since your standing. I don't know though, this is my third time using dmt, so im definitely on a learning curve.

 

[gibran2]

...
If you prefer interacting with the environment, such as staring at trees, it's possible to have an enjoyable time without any added substances at all.

Trees or whatever do not change into complex kaleidoscopic, geometric shapes when your sober. Did you mean something else because I'm not following what you meant? I have smoked 30 mg in two quick hits before, and laid down and closed my eyes. It didn't compare to what I saw. I should mention that I was standing, and leaning on my bedroom window. My forehead was touching the window . I had a hard time standing. I thought I was going to fall through the window at first. I may just go outside tomorrow and walk through the woods; I just don't want some mosquito ruining my trip though. I think if you want to interact with the environment while taking a breakthrough hit, it is possible not to lose consciousness. Maybe your brain knows not to completely faint and fall, since your standing. I don't know though, this is my third time using dmt, so im definitely on a learning curve.

Regarding trees: They are beautiful fractal creations of nature just the way they are. In my opinion, they don’t need any “enhancement”.

With a breakthrough hit, you may very well enter into another realm and leave your body. How would you interact with your Earthly environment when it no longer exists?

Here’s what I’m saying: If you want to use DMT just to see pretty colors and visuals, you seem to be on the right track. If you want something more, then a different approach is necessary.

 

[ultraviolence]

I agree 100% with gibran...this compound shouldn't be used for fun...its a serious tool used to learn
3-5 times a week is excessive, abusive and taking advantage of something sacred in my opinion

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

Isnt changa in order here? I have never smoalked changa before. But isnt like taking light doses a bunch of times? Thus taking you to the pretty colours/morphing/warm fuzzy feeling. Kind of sub breakthrough'esque... Now someone might say you can breakthrough with big hits and holding it in. But isnt there times where a few friends just share a glow session? Of which could be done alone. Just puff and look at the trees morph and feel the warmth of dmt changa.

 

[Mel Angel]

I agree 100% with gibran...this compound shouldn't be used for fun...its a serious tool used to learn
3-5 times a week is excessive, abusive and taking advantage of something sacred in my opinion

I considered the experience special, and more than just a "fun" time. Regarding how often to use per week, what would you suggest is appropriate? Once a week? I agree that doing this everyday would be a total misuse to borderline abuse. So using strictly as a spiritual learning tool, how often does one partake?

 

[jamie]

ask atrocles..I think in like a 2 or 3 year period he said he had like a thousand journies..he sounds like the last person to be abusing DMT. Sounds like personal projection to be honest, how can you define what is abuse and what is not? Why does anyone here think they are qualified to judge someone elses use of DMT based on how many days a week they use it? If someone meditates everyday does that then somehow make it an abuse of meditation? What about dreaming or sex?

You do understand that it is not unheard for ayahuasqueros to drink ayahuasca every single day, right? Some amazonian tribes snuff DMT multiple times a day, every day.

I smoked DMT in the middle of serious meditation often daily for a year. I never once felt or thought I was abusing it.

I dunno why people assume that anyone is this thread talked about just doing anything for fun either..people assume so many things.

When I read posts like some of the ones here I honestly think of religious moralizing.

 

[jamie]

Isnt changa in order here? I have never smoalked changa before. But isnt like taking light doses a bunch of times? Thus taking you to the pretty colours/morphing/warm fuzzy feeling. Kind of sub breakthrough'esque... Now someone might say you can breakthrough with big hits and holding it in. But isnt there times where a few friends just share a glow session? Of which could be done alone. Just puff and look at the trees morph and feel the warmth of dmt changa.

Well..a 1/1 mix makes it damn easy to break through. I dont find changa any harder than crystals in terms of breaking though..unless you make a really dilute mix. 50mg of a 1/1 should be enough for most people to be gone.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

Ok. So do we know what dmt is? Seems like kind of a mystery...
Whos to say how much and when to do it. Say thanks and do it.
Is there some lable that says you can only do breakthrough doses and once per month?
Dont sell it yeah. So maybe add the "dont do dmt in light doses" and "cant do spice more than X amount of times" in the heath and safety section...

So sad

 

[Mel Angel]

Jamie,
your last post regarding what is considered abuse cleared up a lot of questions I had in my original post. Thank you. All I was looking for, was some input on the effects of using multiple days per week and it is cool to know that you did some everyday without any ill-effects. Personally, I guess I will experiment until I find the ideal amount of times to use. Definitely, at least once a week seems more than reasonable based on your experiences.

 

[autumnsphere]

I agree 100% with gibran...this compound shouldn't be used for fun...its a serious tool used to learn
3-5 times a week is excessive, abusive and taking advantage of something sacred in my opinion

Thumbs up. Respect the Spice.

 

[jamie]

If you work with DMT daily for a period of time, you will reach a point where you will definatly not be working with it daily. You can learn much in that period of time though.

 

[ultraviolence]

If you read the first post, variations of the word fun are used twice, once being the reason for wanting to use it every day, so that wasn't an assumption. My main point was that its not for fun or recreational use...I can't say how often a person should or could smoke per week but I will say its more beneficial to take time to process the journeys...and I don't think 1-2 days is enough time for most...again, just my opinion...not judging

 

[Uno]

On "consciousness": I love DMTs feature that it doesn't mess with the thoughts and when I'm in hyperspace I feel completely conscious and "totally myself", even when I'm interacting and dealing with jesters, gnomes and what not. That is what I love about it, it is conscious exploring of that which is beyond words.[

Hmmm...Has it always been that way for you or did this feature develop over time? I'm asking because I do not remain myself at all with heavy dosage, and I assumed it was like that for everyone. My experience with the molecule is somewhat limited though.

I considered the experience special, and more than just a "fun" time.

Same here. I don't think I could do it for fun even if I wanted to, because once the effects start it takes on a tone of seriousness and "pay attention to this" no matter what the dosage. The concept of fun is a distant memory. (IME)

 

[tele]

On "consciousness": I love DMTs feature that it doesn't mess with the thoughts and when I'm in hyperspace I feel completely conscious and "totally myself", even when I'm interacting and dealing with jesters, gnomes and what not. That is what I love about it, it is conscious exploring of that which is beyond words.[

Hmmm...Has it always been that way for you or did this feature develop over time? I'm asking because I do not remain myself at all with heavy dosage, and I assumed it was like that for everyone. My experience with the molecule is somewhat limited though.

I guess it depends on what one means by being conscious "out there". Even when at times I can't feel my body etc. strong hallucinations, what I have always enjoyed about DMT(from light to heavy doses) is that the mind is intact unaltered. My mind is obviously most of the time in awe or even shock when out there, but it's in a clear state, that is that my thoughts aren't altered. I love this feature and from all psychedelics I've tried it's unique to DMT. One person somewhere once compared it to having open eyes and hyperspace opening in your kitchen. consider for example being sober and eating a chocolate bar and opening your fridge and there is hyperspace, you are in complete shock but you have clear thoughts with your mind working unaltered:lol:

And for every person it's somewhat different experience, I've read even about blackouts happening to people...