For about six months or so, I was smoking DMT every day, and depending on the day it might be anywhere from 1-5 times a day. It didn't really seem to have any adverse effects. If anything, I think I made the biggest strides towards becoming a better person during that period than any other time in my life. Moreover, practically none of my trips had virtually any fear/negativity content to them at all because despite the frequency with which I smoked it, I still had a large respect for it, and it would respect me and pay me back in spades. These weren't light doses either. They were among my deepest journeys. It's kinda funny cause a lot of Nexians love to throw around the slogan "SMOALK MORE!!!" and then turn around and scold Nexians who smoke more than them [not pointing fingers at anyone in this thread, as there have been lots of these discussions].
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Being Conscious While Using DMT.
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Global said:
May I ask what made you smoalk less?
I agree respect is the key...
BTW I think it's kind of great how you could manage to get the feeling of "lets go" every day. For me personally I can smoke only when I completely feel like it and it happens about 1-3 times a month.
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Maybe I wasn’t clear enough in my earlier posts.jamie said:
DMT offers many different kinds of experiences, depending on dose, set, setting, whether or not an MAOI is used with it, method of administration, etc.
I think that most would agree that not all of these varieties of experience are equivalent.
There are times where a light open-eyed sub-breakthrough dose is appropriate.
There are other times where a several-hour long ayahuasca journey might be called for.
Other times, a high-dose plunge into the abyss may be helpful.
Each variety of experience is unique, and each has value.
To focus on one variety of experience to the exclusion of others is to miss out on much of what DMT has to offer.
The OP said that he has used DMT only 3 times. He has much still to experience! Connecting with nature via DMT has value, but regularly taking 100mg doses spread out over 30 minutes (without an MAOI) is very different from the other types of experiences that DMT has to offer. Why limit oneself to such a narrow range? Explore!
Regarding frequency of use – we each find our own “level”. During the “honeymoon” phase, which for me lasted about a year, periods of 3-4 days in a row with 3-4 sessions per day were not uncommon. Now, several years into it, once every 6-8 weeks seems about right.
ultraviolence said:
I disagree on the grounds that you shouldn't be claiming what this compound should or should not be used for.
Psychedelics are useful tools from microsdoses all the way to entheogenic doses.
Having fun with them is perfectly ok. Who say's it's not? And on what grounds do they make this claim?
I agree with Jamie above, some of my best psychedelic experiences have been walking through the woods. And to be perfectly honest if you keep you eye's open and your body moving you can actually move around on a full break through dose of DMT.
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It depends on how one defines a breakthrough.joedirt said:
I personally define a breakthrough to be full immersion in another realm. My physical body is left far behind during such journeys – there is no physical body to move and no physical eyes to open.
gibran2 said:
I agree, and I have to close my eye's to reach a true break through like that, but I can take the same size dose and keep my eye's open and maintain some level of awareness of this reality as well. Kinda of like the OP was talking about. Body takes in same amount of DMT, but the experience is manifested differently in our consciousness because of other input (visual). Taking that to the next level and trying to moving around triggers your body to become even more alert. All of this greatly changes the nature and characteristic of the journey. Shamans seem pretty adapt at doing this as well.
I would agree that if you take a big enough hit while standing up you are just going to fall down pretty much immediately. It's a relative. Like you said previously there are different types of experiences on can get and they are all worthy IMHO.
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In my definition, if you remember you even have eyes, you're not breaking through 
But yeah as it has been said before, each one has to find what they are looking for with DMT each time they launch.. It can be from light headedness to swirling colors and vision of entities, to complete immersion in new reality without any recollection at all of being a human.
And for this, of course there is a dose-dependant relationship but at the same time there is a certain unexpected variability, and you might go really far from what you thought would be a small dose (though sometimes this has to do with some melted DMT in the pipe you hadnt count on, or efficiency of smoking/vaporization method, etc)
But yeah as it has been said before, each one has to find what they are looking for with DMT each time they launch.. It can be from light headedness to swirling colors and vision of entities, to complete immersion in new reality without any recollection at all of being a human.
And for this, of course there is a dose-dependant relationship but at the same time there is a certain unexpected variability, and you might go really far from what you thought would be a small dose (though sometimes this has to do with some melted DMT in the pipe you hadnt count on, or efficiency of smoking/vaporization method, etc)
tele said:
The thing about having the feeling of "let's go every day" is that (for me) there's significantly less pre-flight anxiety the closer in time the launches are. So if I'm doing it every day, pre-flight anxiety or doubts are practically non-existent, whereas if I wait a month, it might require some more auto-coaxing to get back on the horse.
At the moment I currently smoke 1-2 times a week or maybe a bit more if I get carried away. There are two main factors why I've slowed down. One is simply supply. When it looked like rootbark would be starting to be cracked down on more in the US, I bulked up, and the current plan is that I'm not gonna order any more. I still have lots left, but I would like it to last.
The other reason I slowed down is a tolerance-esque issue. I say "tolerance-esque" because on one hand I notice no tolerance, and on the other hand there does seem to be something going on, so let me explain a bit further. Often what will happen is if I have a particularly special experience or breakthrough, my initial reaction is usually, "well I'd like to do something like that again" where I'll hit a hot streak of special experiences. After a week or so, I can still have "strong" experiences, but they simply begin to lack a certain x-factor - special quality. The journeys begin to lose a sense of narrative and become rather boring in contrast. The DMT itself still works just fine, but I begin to get the message I should give myself a little time off to integrate it. Now these cycles would keep on happening of having special experiences for a week, mediocre experiences, break and then back to special experiences. I decided to finally cut back when I decided I would try and keep as many of the experiences special as possible, and additionally once I started to break through with greater and greater ease (via ever further refined vaporization technique), I found that I could live with only going twice a week.
I'm still hesitant to regard this as a physical/chemical tolerance issue. Let's say monday-thursday I have great experiences each day. Friday and saturday are a bit mediocre, and by sunday it seems like a waste of DMT, not because it's not intense, but just because I've "been there, done that." Point is though on this hypothetical sunday, if I choose to go again and load up even less, I could still get hit with an immense breakthrough out of no where. DMT can be amazingly unpredictable like that and there seems to be an intelligence running things behind the scenes. Sometimes it feels like it's up to the discretion of that intelligence what the content will be, and if you haven't taken sufficient time to integrate, then it has its way of letting you know. Admittedly, turning down that "special factor" is a more gentle, polite way of saying to slow down than the hyper-slaps I think some other members get.
Also, sometimes I think I have this perceived tolerance due to a bunch of miscellaneous issues like the lighter is starting to die, so the heat output from it is less and less, and I don't realize till it's really just about done. Or since I eyeball my doses, sometimes after a spree of good ones, I'll subconsciously start loading up smaller doses and then wonder why I'm not getting so far. Ultimately right now 1-2 times a week feels right, but who knows what my smoking patterns will be like a year from now
For some reason I expected to hear that... It seems to me like there's some kind of consciousness behind DMT that says at some point "enough is enough"
I've had this myself.
I believe moderate use gives best results.
When it comes to pre-flight anxiety it's interesting how it can come to a person like you even when you mentioned you didn't have during those six months negative experiences. I find the only reason to be anxious before smoalking is possibility of negative/unpleasant experience, which is somewhat rare but possible in my experience. I believe pre-flight anxiety is a good thing at times and I have learned to understand it and even ignore it, but I have never thought of making it a reason to smoalk more.
tele said:
I think I was perhaps a little unclear in terms of fear. What I meant was that during that intense honeymoon period, my journeys themselves had little to no fear content, but there could still be pre-flight anxiety (which doesn't necessarily manifest itself as fear). Unless it's my second or third time (or something like that) in the day, I'll usually have a little bit of pre-flight anxiety, but it's not out of fear of what will happen. It's a purely physiological reaction. My body will make me go to the bathroom like 3 times before a journey, I'll get the typical fight/flight reaction, but it remains purely physical. By the time the vapor has entered my lungs, it's completely gone, and even any "fear" to date that I encounter in my journeys remains pretty much physiological. I recognize that my body is going through fight/flight-like reactions and pumping adrenaline and whatever other hormones and neural activity contribute to the fear response, but in my mind I remain entirely confident that there is nothing to be afraid of, and these physiological nuissances pass rather quickly. As of late, I've been taking this negative energy and feelings, and with the utmost of confidence, push further which works like alchemical super fuel for creating amazing experiences of positivity. Small amounts of genuine fear may start creeping in if I leave a lot of time between journeys like a month or more, but it's something that's pretty easy to push through, and as I said, once the smoke is in my lungs, I've completely relaxed...at least for a few moments when the excitement starts.
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tele said:
For some reason I expected to hear that... It seems to me like there's some kind of consciousness behind DMT that says at some point "enough is enough"
I've had this myself.
"When you get the message, hang up the phone" - Alan Watts
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personally I think do what works for you. you like lots sometimes. you like less another. you like it for a spiritual healing or just for fun. I think do it for you! just respect the spice and respect you.
if you are new to spice, then ease in to it, dont become obsessed with the "breakthrough" or seeing entities. Then when you have tried it a few times, then you have a feel for it and can decide what you want from spice.
I think making rules on spice is just as bad as the government control. let us guide people and give them options.
it is so funny!! like someone else said about some are saying to no smoke it often and not in large amounts or multiple times in one day. but they just told others in another thread "smoalk moarrrr!!!"
if you are new to spice, then ease in to it, dont become obsessed with the "breakthrough" or seeing entities. Then when you have tried it a few times, then you have a feel for it and can decide what you want from spice.
I think making rules on spice is just as bad as the government control. let us guide people and give them options.
it is so funny!! like someone else said about some are saying to no smoke it often and not in large amounts or multiple times in one day. but they just told others in another thread "smoalk moarrrr!!!"
tele said:
No, I simply value my time in hyperspace very much, and I enjoy journeying often as I'm always coming across something new, wonderful and ever-transforming.
[Edit]: I also find that I'm a more patient, compassionate and creative fellow when I keep my journeys closer together or else some old bad habits in daily routine can start creeping back in.
I would like to explore pre-flight anxiety and its correlation to frequency of use, since it has been brought up continuously in this thread.
I mentioned before, that I smoked DMT three times. The sole reason of why it hasn't been more is because the 2nd time I smoked it was sort of terrifying. I barely remember it, and it felt like an eternity, relative, to what five minutes normally feels like. I took a huge hit and basically just held it in, and there was probably a lot of resin still melted in the steel wool, in the pipe from the previous time.
I wasn't ready to be so immersed. I didn't have any music on. I had a large/medium size, industrial-like fan I got at Menard's and air purifier cranked on the highest setting, making noise in the back-round but all I could here is myself breathing very deeply. But while immersed, I didn't really know who was breathing, and once I realized it was me who was breathing so hard it made me feel scared. So the first 3-4 minutes, all I could hear was loud anxious breathing.
The third time I used, was just so awesome. I don't know if it was because I had my eye's open, staring out my window at the trees, which rest on a large creek, which separates 6 acres of flat grassland (my backyard), which further separates 300 plus acres of farm-land(Soy-beans). I think the added visual element, just made it better. But like I said, I'm still new at this. The next time I use, I'm going to sit on my porch, which faces my backyard, just in case I completely pass out. I don't want to fall and break furniture, or my scull.
I mentioned before, that I smoked DMT three times. The sole reason of why it hasn't been more is because the 2nd time I smoked it was sort of terrifying. I barely remember it, and it felt like an eternity, relative, to what five minutes normally feels like. I took a huge hit and basically just held it in, and there was probably a lot of resin still melted in the steel wool, in the pipe from the previous time.
I wasn't ready to be so immersed. I didn't have any music on. I had a large/medium size, industrial-like fan I got at Menard's and air purifier cranked on the highest setting, making noise in the back-round but all I could here is myself breathing very deeply. But while immersed, I didn't really know who was breathing, and once I realized it was me who was breathing so hard it made me feel scared. So the first 3-4 minutes, all I could hear was loud anxious breathing.
The third time I used, was just so awesome. I don't know if it was because I had my eye's open, staring out my window at the trees, which rest on a large creek, which separates 6 acres of flat grassland (my backyard), which further separates 300 plus acres of farm-land(Soy-beans). I think the added visual element, just made it better. But like I said, I'm still new at this. The next time I use, I'm going to sit on my porch, which faces my backyard, just in case I completely pass out. I don't want to fall and break furniture, or my scull.
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