being "fried" vs seeing reality differently

[CosmicRiver]

Ok i don't know if this is the right term. In my language people say you're "burnt out" if you take too many psychedelics and you start acting strange. I think in English you say "fried" or something like that. They don't have a mental disorder that psychedelics have brought up. They seem to live in their own world and other people don't get them.
I always wondered how do such people view the situation from the inside. What does it feel like from the inside?

Yesterday i was with a friend which is far from a typical person and i was talking about how beautiful Moon looked and i found out that for him it's literally a rock that reflects sunlight. And i said "yes of course technically it is but if you look at it it feels alive right?" and he said no. And so i said "ok i understand that but the Earth at least feels alive right?" "yeah it's full of life but the Earth itself is a rock as well".

This is just an example to say how each individual sees reality in a different way, and some see it in a way that is vastly different from the one that other people see. And maybe all the people in my hometown that people see as "burnt out"/"fried" are just people that see reality in a different way, no wonder i can talk to them when most people can't, and maybe i am fried as well. How can one understand it from the inside? Is there a "lite" version of it?

Also what might be a completely normal belief in a culture would be the opposite in another culture. Like for example i often salute the rivers, the trees and such with a hand gesture like the kung fu salute and i always thought it was an oddity of mine but then i saw a Vietnamese woman salute a river like that as if it was completely normal.

i know this is a rambling more than a thread but what are your thoughts on this? have you ever thought about these things?

 

[dithyramb]

The condition you describe (being in awe of creation and treating beings in nature as 'persons' deserving respect) is not what I would understand from a word 'fried' at all. If that's what it means, then I am the most fried, and I am all for being fried. Seriously, breaking out of the cultural disconnection from life that prevails in the modern world is the most basic healing. But the term 'fried' for me makes associations with 'having your neurons fried' (metaphorically) and thus being mentally damaged in some way. That's a very real risk of reckless psychedelic use.

 

[Jamie01]

Ya I sun it up to close mindedness.

 

[Jamie01]

Sum•

 

[northape]

Yesterday i was with a friend which is far from a typical person and i was talking about how beautiful Moon looked and i found out that for him it's literally a rock that reflects sunlight. And i said "yes of course technically it is but if you look at it it feels alive right?" and he said no. And so i said "ok i understand that but the Earth at least feels alive right?" "yeah it's full of life but the Earth itself is a rock as well".

You can just look at the Moon or Earth with your senses open and enjoy the view, or create a virtual picture of them on top of sensory input based on your prejudices and other tendencies. I'd say your friend thinks of the Moon as a rock, and it colors his perception. When you look directly through your senses, there is no thinking about it. It is a pure picture of reflected light.

I associate the term fried with an unbalanced state where a person believes certain ideas and gets stuck in his own mental constructs. It is one thing to be a divine madman, open and carefree. Thinking you're the Second Coming of Jesus or that birds are government drones is closer to real craziness. Psychedelic use is a double-edged sword, and without the right attitude and attention to detail, anyone can go off the rails. Modern society is ill-equipped to deal with this condition, and you'll be labeled mentally ill right away.

When it comes to your own relationship with the world, don't constrain yourself with culture. Converse with the Cosmos the way it feels right for you. Culture is a construct, and you're divinity at your core. Let the light from your Heart show you the way. Everything is much more real that way. I'd argue that Light is the only reality here.

 

[ABe©eDarian]

Personally, I have to work on it being a strength of mine to keep retrieving balance. A bit of a fried noodle, but I work with it, and to this point have continuously regained plateaus of balance in the personal decision to continue. I don't continue with psychedelics to stare at a colorful oil slick for my astonishment, I want to keep reality cooking so that I may have more of the best of myself to share. Interesting history record. Some diagnoses, and continued meds from both side of the line, while talking with a therapist about it all includes specifying my 'criminal activity' that has it's logical reasons. Going a bit off the deep end only to learn from it and have it become part of a personal evolution has incorporated itself into who I am for the better, for better or worse. And now, when I get back on schedule with maintaining with things like ayahuasca and mushrooms it keeps my personal sobriety established so that I can be the real me and share that as opposed to not having my proper footing. Equilibrium.

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

In my 20s, I'd come back from a couple of trips where I felt "burnt out" or "fried." This was the residual effect of seeing the world from another perspective that was completely different from the one I was raised with.

At that point, I had to make the conscious effort to adjust, and play by the norms dictated by society while holding on to my new-found perspective. Of course, I could have just said "Fuck it" and kept delving deeper into psychonautic space – but I wanted a career... so I'd march to the tune of consensus reality while slipping in some notes of my own that I'd gleaned from the Pied Piper.

 

[ommani]

It’s obviously ill advised to lose connection with relative truth, including the interplay of cause and effect. Conversely, it can be easy to internalize the values and norms of the overculture, to the point of losing connection with a direct, non-conceptual experience of life.

Finding a way to be in the world, but not of the world, seems like the ideal to aim for IMV. The tantric view of nirvana and samsara being ultimately indivisible feels supportive to me in this sense. As do the words of the Heart Sutra - emptiness is form, form is emptiness. As above, so below, the alchemical saying goes.

IME ongoing, psychedelic use seems to naturally elicit a more animistic view of the world, which I understand to be in keeping with the normative human experience, as it has existed throughout human history. In that broader sense, relating to the earth, and the moon, and the sun as living beings, can be seen as the norm - on the other hand, relating to them as inanimate objects can be seen to indicate a view of the world that is incongruous with its ever-changing, animate nature.

The Emerald podcast has some great episodes about this topic:

Animism is Normative Consciousness

Inanimate Objects Aren’t Inanimate (Or Objects)

For the Divine Mother of the Universe

 

[CosmicRiver]

Thanks to all!

the term 'fried' for me makes associations with 'having your neurons fried' (metaphorically) and thus being mentally damaged in some way.

Yes, i think that's where the term comes from. Here it gets used both pejoratively and as a pun to describe various drug users, from people with mental damages to people who seem to be "out there" but without mental impairment.
If i said the things i say on the Nexus to some of the people i know, the ones that are most "typical" and aligned with the current cultural landscape, i would probably be called that way.

The condition you describe (being in awe of creation and treating beings in nature as 'persons' deserving respect) is not what I would understand from a word 'fried' at all. If that's what it means, then I am the most fried, and I am all for being fried. Seriously, breaking out of the cultural disconnection from life that prevails in the modern world is the most basic healing.

When it comes to your own relationship with the world, don't constrain yourself with culture. Converse with the Cosmos the way it feels right for you. Culture is a construct, and you're divinity at your core. Let the light from your Heart show you the way. Everything is much more real that way. I'd argue that Light is the only reality here.

In my 20s, I'd come back from a couple of trips where I felt "burnt out" or "fried." This was the residual effect of seeing the world from another perspective that was completely different from the one I was raised with.

At that point, I had to make the conscious effort to adjust, and play by the norms dictated by society while holding on to my new-found perspective.

Yes it's kinda like tuning out from the cultural circumstances we were born in for some time, and then going back in. After going back in, there will be some things that won't feel in sync with us anymore, and at the same time there will be new perspectives that we bring with us.

IME ongoing, psychedelic use seems to naturally elicit a more animistic view of the world, which I understand to be in keeping with the normative human experience, as it has existed throughout human history. In that broader sense, relating to the earth, and the moon, and the sun as living beings, can be seen as the norm - on the other hand, relating to them as inanimate objects can be seen to indicate a view of the world that is incongruous with its ever-changing, animate nature.

Yes humans have seen reality in this way for most of their time on Earth indeed. Thanks for the podcast suggestion!

 

[Traged]

Well,

my mother told me some time ago that she thinks I do too much mushrooms because "I do not care about anything anymore"...
I have told her that I don't care...

The thing is I have stopped caring about some things that other people are tied to. I can see some humans having issues with my stance but most like what I have became even more...

Imagine it from the other side, you are saving for some material possession, that new car to try fill some hole in you... you are stressed about that money and you need to drink up alcohol every Friday to unwind pressure. Meanwhile your cooked friend is talking about some plants being weird and moon being alive and beautiful...

We talk about things we like and are exited about. So you start being exited about mundane and most people get real weird about that... what do you mean you enjoy life every day... HOW DARE YOU!!!

I have thought about these things a bit

I sometimes tell a story from my trip to someone - I leave out the part that it was the trip - and they are really amazed...

I guess you should think about not making waves, but doing ripples is mandatory...

 

[CosmicRiver]

Meanwhile your cooked friend is talking about some plants being weird and moon being alive and beautiful...

We talk about things we like and are exited about. So you start being exited about mundane and most people get real weird about that... what do you mean you enjoy life every day... HOW DARE YOU!!!

I have thought about these things a bit

I sometimes tell a story from my trip to someone - I leave out the part that it was the trip - and they are really amazed...

I guess you should think about not making waves, but doing ripples is mandatory...

 

[fink]

The only time I feel fried is when the person I have become is contrasted by the society I never believed in. Which does happen because that is where the food is sold.

 

[ilikeonions]

The way I see it is; psychedelics tend to alter your points of view and loose your filters.

If you abuse them, your filters become too loose and your views lose connection with reality after some point

 

[Transform]

The way I see it is; psychedelics tend to alter your points of view and loose your filters.

If you abuse them, your filters become too loose and your views lose connection with reality after some point

You don't need to take "drugs" to lose contact with reality, but your point about taking too much (however much that might be) still stands, to a certain extent.

Count me in among the fried (at least as beautifully defined by some of you Nexians) - I love it! I was kind of pre-fried, at birth, even…

 

[ommani]

I’d say I’m pretty fried haha Back when I used to drink, the combination of weed and beer would turn my brain into mush. Now that I rarely drink anymore, my brain feels like a fried potato, which incidentally was one of my favorite foods, growing up.