Being more conscious

[Blluetung]

Hello friends,

After a few years lurking I have finally decided to make the commitment to join this wonderful community. Mostly because I feel I now have something to contribute. This feeling has come about after a transformational journey to Peru and being so incredibly fortunate to participate in several ceremonies involving San Pedro and Ayahuasca.

Having been a long time ally of the weed, and always feeling a connection with Nature, I have for a long time felt a need to deepen my understanding. I`m not going to go into trip reports here suffice to say 90% of my questions were answered in 6 oh so short weeks in Cusco and Pucallpa. I can only say that my life has been turned around through the realization that we are so much more than our thoughts in our head. In fact it has occurred to me that our thoughts can sometimes be our worst enemy. It seems when we can quiet these thoughts a new world opens up to us.

Like most Nexians I am disillusioned with the line we have taken in western society, and have been in the process of trying to dissolve the social program that has been forced upon us that places money and possessions at the top of the heap, at the expense of this beautiful planet and all beings that live within it. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will, but it seems so obvious to me that society has been carefully engineered to be unconscious. This is evident in the massive social, health and environmental problems now surfacing at an ever increasing rate. I am no longer willing to be a part of the confusion.

I am wondering how many of our personal liberties our governments can try to take away from us before there is a revolt on a scale not seen before. Being more conscious of our actions and how they affect the whole will be the trigger to starting the revolution. The governments know this, and this is the reason they are being increasingly paranoid about entheogens. They are literally trying to keep us from our true nature as humans. The only reason, I believe, that meditation is not illegal is because it takes a life long commitment in a very tranquil setting that is not afforded us in our fast paced society, where as entheogens radically speed up the process of self knowledge.

So I say keep up the awesome work. Continue the search for truth, and keep delineating the truth to those who have the ears to listen.

 

[13x157w0w]

Greetings comrade

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will, but it seems so obvious to me that society has been carefully engineered to be unconscious. This is evident in the massive social, health and environmental problems now surfacing at an ever increasing rate. I am no longer willing to be a part of the confusion.

I am wondering how many of our personal liberties our governments can try to take away from us before there is a revolt on a scale not seen before.

A wild animal does not accept the yoke, but a domesticated one readily does.
Perhaps eugenics has played a role in this engineered domestication, with a goal of domestic tranquility?

Note also that one of the primary goals of the Constitution of the USA is to insure domestic tranquility this is one of the primary ideals or purposes. Note also that the Bill Of Rights was not part of the original document and that the goal was not to provide liberties, freedom or rights in any outright sense. It is concerned with maintaining and protecting the herd, from itself and from outside influences.

In as much as this, I do not envision that the greater populace will ever resort to revolting, while a small subset will readily do so. Pressures exist in society that are designed to remove this subset, it is one of the reasons that Native Americans were forcibly sterilized until the 1970s, they are "wild" and not domesticated people. Eugenics is a huge part of social engineering and is perhaps among the more significant reasons for populations that accept the yoke? As such, increasing consciousness in the population, if they are indeed bred to be docile, may not have the effects you desire. They may become only more conscious of celebrity hairstyles.

Just my thoughts on this.

 

[Blluetung]

Hey ALbertKLloyd, thanks for your thoughts...but

Do you beleive the system is working in its current state? Do we really have domestic tranquility? I think not. Ever wonder why so many people are being prescribed anti-depressants, why there are so many homeless, why we continue to send men and women ovreseas to fight wars for the control of commodidites, why people are more concerned with celebrity hairs styles then all the above?? This is the confusion I speak of. Misplaced values are the result of not being engaged in a true relationship with ourselves and therefore with others.

Consciousness is not only being aware of our material surroundings but also being aware of the connection we all share at the level of spirit. Modern society doesn`t even have a "herd" or as I prefer to call it, "the tribe", today it`s very much every man for himself and if you dont fit into the mold you are not worthy. And the more ludicrous laws that get passed without proper community involvement, the more innocent people are found to be unwittingly breaking some law.

My thoughts are, if we as a race do not smarten up our act, stop being distracted from what is really important, the survival of not only our species, but all species, and start living in sustainable ways, more and more people are going to be disinfranchised, while fewer and fewer reap the material benefit at the cost of what really sustains us as a whole. How much can we take from the earth without giving anything back? How long can economic growth continue before becoming what can only be described as a cancer?

The way forward is through transcendance, whether it be via the plants, or if you have the time, setting and patience, meditation. Personally I dont think we have that much time.

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

I do think the system functions as intended.
It is all about profit for the owners of the herd.
It is not sustainable and it is not ethical, but i think it is working as it was meant to.
Not that your points are invalid

 

[Blluetung]

I guess the point I am trying convey is: How much longer can the system continue to work?
The powers that be have done an incredibly good job of keeping the population in the dark.
Personally I dont like being lied to. And the lie`s are keeping people from realising their full potential as human beings. I think this is criminal, and it`s been going on for many generations. All at the expense of this little bubble of beauty in space we all share.

I dont have the answer, but feel it is time to try and help people realise that the line we have been sold is just too limiting for the continued health of the species. Every single sentient soul has the right to live a full and meaningful life.

 

[hug46]

And the lie`s are keeping people from realising their full potential as human beings............................................................................. Every single sentient soul has the right to live a full and meaningful life.

What are your requisites for a full and meaningful life?

 

[Warrior]

Welcome Blluetung!

I have a working hypothesis that we have evolved serotonin to function as a selective sensory input + selective memory. DMT therefore shows us what we are trying to cognitively hide from... From that perspective it appears that the problem isn't government, or whatever some small groups of people want, but what behaviors our species has decided are important for unknown reasons.

That's how I prefer to look at it.

Peace, love, and joy to you!

 

[sunnyshine777]

I really resonate with your view of western society, more specifically, how it is engineered to keep us unconscious.
Welcome

 

[Blluetung]

What are your requisites for a full and meaningful life?

This is of course my personal opinion, but I beleive to have a true and full appreciation for life we must be able to look at life from both sides of the coin so to speak. We can never know what is underneath the rock unless we lift it and have a look, and we might find life there too. Material reality is only the tip of the iceberg. Ancient cultures, and some still remain, practiced initiations when adolescents became adults, to give them the proper perspective, reverance and respect for what sustains us. I reckon initiation is what is missing in western culture.

 

[hug46]

I beleive to have a true and full appreciation for life we must be able to look at life from both sides of the coin so to speak.

I agree with this.^^^^^

As far as governments lying to keep people in the dark, i am not so sure. If they are lying how do you know the truth? Maybe because it is there for all to see. Maybe some people choose not to see it, but that is the fault of the individual. If you read you can decide for yourself what you believe to be true or false.

It also implies that they have a hidden personal agenda and are part of some secret conspiracy. I think, for the most part, that they are trying to do what they think is right. The fact that a lot of them are completely out of touch with reality does not help. Not only that but i think people tend to put political leaders on a pedestal without realising that they are just normal people and are prone to acts of stupidity like the rest of us. I do not think that intelligence is necessarily a pre-requisite to gain political power, but ambition and perhaps a few sociopathic tendencies are. I am not being funny but i think i have more brains than David Cameron (and i am not the sharpest tool in the box) but i would probably crumble under the pressure of being a country"s prime minister/president.

I also do not think that there is increasing paranoia about entheogens. If anything i see it as decreasing compared to 30 years ago. Marijuana is being legalised and there are articles all over about possible mental and health benefits of mushrooms, ayahuasca etc.

 

[Blluetung]

Hey hug46, thanks for your reply,

As far as governments lying to keep people in the dark, i am not so sure. If they are lying how do you know the truth?

The lie`s I am referring to started with orginized religion 2000 years ago. When people were initially encouraged, then later on forced by "laws" to put their faith in an external, jealous, judgemental and wrathful God instead having personal experience of the God within us all, that we are not seperate from. Then there were the massacres world wide that stemmed from intolerance of animistic beliefs, in the name of God, to try and stamp out any other belief system. The church was the government, and still today plays far to big a role in policy making in various countries. Diversity of thought was and is being crushed. I dont pretend to know the whole truth. I am merely a seeker of truth, and am expressing what I am witnessing and learned about history. I do however see change happening, albeit a bit too slowly. This is evident by the increasing number of people joining the Nexus as one example, and this gives me hope.

If you read you can decide for yourself what you believe to be true or false.

This really depends on what you are reading. Which is someone elses opinion and not direct experience. The media orginisations are in bed with the policy makers and have their favorites, which will serve their profiteering, so everything they put out is skewed. I see mass media as the biggest part of the problem. Far too many people take as gospel what they see on TV or read in a newspaper.

It also implies that they have a hidden personal agenda and are part of some secret conspiracy.

My belief is that there is a conspiracy, and it revolves around keeping us as virtual slaves. Working for a wage, especially if you are doing work that you dont enjoy and doesn`t bring you a sense of fullfilment, for a wage that keeps you one step above poverty, and encouraging you to take out loans and mortgages that means you absolutley must work to repay, hence keeping you tied to the system, is a form of slavery. And who are the major benficiaries? Only about 13 families worlwide. Just yesterday it came out that company profits are at an all time high right now, but wages are at an all time low.

I also do not think that there is increasing paranoia about entheogens. If anything i see it as decreasing compared to 30 years ago. Marijuana is being legalised and there are articles all over about possible mental and health benefits of mushrooms, ayahuasca etc.

On the topic of Marijuana, I can see why the authorities are becoming more open to legalization. It is so easily abused and has a similar numbing efect to alcohol when used every day. It is very easy to sit and watch the crap on TV while smoking without giving it a second thought, but try watching TV while on a recreational dose of mushrooms and it is far too painful, especially the commercials.

In Australia, in 2006, the government proposed a bill that every single plant, native or ornamental, that had the tiniest amount of DMT present should be be made illegal.

Send in the Scientists

Of course it wasn`t passed because this is just insane. It would have made criminals out of almost everyone. But last week in New South Wales a bill was passed that will make illegal any phenethylamine containing cactus, with no input from the community.

Jill Bolte - Brain damaged experience - a must read - Open Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

http://www.entheo.net/newsletter/update_attack_plants_nsw_government_we_need_help_today

It saddens me that as a tax payer I am paying someone to sit in a back room dreaming up this kind of legislation.

Yes there is evidence of mushrooms and Ayahuasce having amazing health benefits, not only psycholocigally but also physically, I personally know of a guy who has been cured of lung cancer by drinking Ayahuasca, but where is the research happening and why isn`t it being made public knowledge? Whenver a drug company makes tiny inroads in cancer research it is headline news, but also oh the drug wont be approved for human use for 10 years or more.

Hug46 I am in now way trying to shoot you or anyone else down in flames, I just want to get these thoughts of my chest, and this is the only place I feel these idea`s might be able to be discussed rationally. I am the first to admit I am also not the shparpest tool in the shed. I just want to see change that brings equality to all of earths inhabitants. I am struggling however to see how real change can occur while we are all so focused on capitalism. Unless we all make the descision to make do with less, and share more, the system will just keep being fed by greed.

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

Our slavery does not appear hidden, but is met with apathy through social design.

I would wager the system can continue this way for several thousand years.

Fear, war, greed, etc do not seem to be absent for ancient cultures.

So what would you like to see society be and or do?
What is the perfect social system to you?

I rather like nature, wolves and ants, but there is still greed, social manipulation by authority structure, war and violence in those, but they have benefits too, pros and cons.

You have to admit, dentistry and cartoons have come a long way.

Would you eliminate competition?
Just curious.

 

[hug46]

Hug46 I am in now way trying to shoot you or anyone else down in flames, I just want to get these thoughts of my chest, and this is the only place I feel these idea`s might be able to be discussed rationally.

I do not feel that you are shooting me down in flames and i hope that you feel the same way if i have conflicting opinions on the causes of the mess we seem to be getting ourselves into as a species.

The lie`s I am referring to started with orginized religion 2000 years ago. When people were initially encouraged, then later on forced by "laws" to put their faith in an external, jealous, judgemental and wrathful God instead having personal experience of the God within us all,

I agree about people doing their dirty work in the name of God but i do not think that it has so much to do with the stamping out of diverse thought but more to do with profiteering from land and resources. If you invade a country and see the inhabitants as heathen savages it makes it so much easier to wash your hands of any genocide that takes place. We have and probably always will be horrible to eachother.

My belief is that there is a conspiracy, and it revolves around keeping us as virtual slaves. Working for a wage, especially if you are doing work that you dont enjoy and doesn`t bring you a sense of fullfilment, for a wage that keeps you one step above poverty, and encouraging you to take out loans and mortgages that means you absolutley must work to repay, hence keeping you tied to the system, is a form of slavery.

You won"t get any argument from me about mortgages and the wage slave situation. It doesnt appeal to me and it never has. People can be brainwashed by aspirational television programmes but at the end of the day they do have a choice as to what they do with their lives.
Speaking of aspiration, do you think that in the past people had more fulfilling lives or was it just that they had less expectations.

Yes there is evidence of mushrooms and Ayahuasce having amazing health benefits, not only psycholocigally but also physically, I personally know of a guy who has been cured of lung cancer by drinking Ayahuasca, but where is the research happening and why isn`t it being made public knowledge?

Single Dose of Hallucinogen May Create Lasting Personality Change - 09/29/2011

A single high dose of the hallucinogen psilocybin, the active ingredient in so-called “magic mushrooms,” was enough to bring about a measureable personality change lasting at least a year in nearly 60 percent of the 51 participants in a new study, according to the Johns Hopkins researchers who...

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Magic Mushrooms As Medicine?

Magic Mushrooms As Medicine?

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LSD, "magic mushrooms," and other psychedelics not linked to mental health woes

Population study found lifetime LSD use may even reduce need for mental health care like medication, outpatient therapy

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Scientists study possible health benefits of LSD and ecstasy

Growing number of people taking psychedelic drugs to help them cope with conditions such as chronic anxiety attacks

www.theguardian.com

The above links give a positive view on psychedelics and are public knowledge. There is a certain amount of red tape to get through researching drugs like this but i think we are going in a positive direction.

In Australia, in 2006, the government proposed a bill that every single plant, native or ornamental, that had the tiniest amount of DMT present should be be made illegal.

I think that the Australian government have probably kneejerked due to the growing popularity of psychedelic drugs.

On the topic of Marijuana, I can see why the authorities are becoming more open to legalization. It is so easily abused and has a similar numbing efect to alcohol when used every day. It is very easy to sit and watch the crap on TV while smoking without giving it a second thought, but try watching TV while on a recreational dose of mushrooms and it is far too painful, especially the commercials.

You can sit in front of the tv all day while smoking marijuana but but the difference to alcohol is that maybe you are more likely to realise that you are watching crap.

 

[Blluetung]

Thanks for some great responses

Our slavery does not appear hidden, but is met with apathy through social design.

Apathy is the problem and the fact that is it by social design.

I would wager the system can continue this way for several thousand years.

I have to disagree, the planet cannot sustain this level of growth. If it was just westernized countries experinceing this growth maybe, but China and India and much of the third world is now expeting to be able to live in the same way we have in the west, problem is they have massive populations.

Fear, war, greed, etc do not seem to be absent for ancient cultures.

This is true in some cases, but they had limited means, it was happening on a local scale, not worldwide. By ancient I refer to pre-christian. I am aware of what happened in South America with the rise of the Inca`s. I have no answer as to why, but is it right? I dont see the need to be a dominating race.

So what would you like to see society be and or do?
What is the perfect social system to you?

I definatley do not have the answer to what is the perfect societal model. It has been proven that communism doesn`t work, but maybe because the very same people were in power, and still had the same agenda as any captilists, a thirst for power and control over the populace. In Russia ALL animistic spirituallity was made illegal, hence they have virtually lost their shamanic traditions. I very much like the model working in Bhutan, where they have use happiness as a guage of how things are going, not monetary wealth.

Would you eliminate competition?

Yes, I would eliminate competition, if it is at the expense of someone elses freedom. I would not eliminate enterprise however, I think it is a part of human nature to want to improve our lot.

I do not feel that you are shooting me down in flames and i hope that you feel the same way if i have conflicting opinions on the causes of the mess we seem to be getting ourselves into as a species.

I`m glad you feel this way, and am sorry, I see how it could have been taken as an insult to your intelligence, this was not my intention. I just wanted to make myself clear incase I was offending anyone, and I welcome any conflicting opinions.

http://www.hopkinsmedici...ting_personality_change

http://www.huffingtonpos...ushrooms_n_1228052.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/n...-to-mental-health-woes/

http://www.theguardian.c...ecstacy-health-benefits

The above links give a positive view on psychedelics and are public knowledge. There is a certain amount of red tape to get through researching drugs like this but i think we are going in a positive direction.

These article are great, I just wish it was front page of the papers and the first story on the evening news. This kind of information should be in peoples faces as a countenance to the rubbish normally dished out about psychedelics. Thank you for the links.

You can sit in front of the tv all day while smoking marijuana but but the difference to alcohol is that maybe you are more likely to realise that you are watching crap.

I agree with this too, but what are stoners going to do about it, easier just to take another toke. I have been guilty of this all my life. Post my trip to Peru I somehow feel more obligated to voice my opinions though. I am grateful to Ayahuasca and Huachuma for getting me out of my apathetic state.

 

[hug46]

I`m glad you feel this way, and am sorry, I see how it could have been taken as an insult to your intelligence, this was not my intention. I just wanted to make myself clear incase I was offending anyone, and I welcome any conflicting opinions.

No, you have been polite. It is interesting to debate and see what other people think and it is no crime to see things differently to other members.

These article are great, I just wish it was front page of the papers and the first story on the evening news. This kind of information should be in peoples faces as a countenance to the rubbish normally dished out about psychedelics. Thank you for the links.

Give it time. Rome wasn"t built in a day.

You can sit in front of the tv all day while smoking marijuana but but the difference to alcohol is that maybe you are more likely to realise that you are watching crap.

I agree with this too, but what are stoners going to do about it, easier just to take another toke. I have been guilty of this all my life.

Yes i too have been guilty of sitting around smoking all day while not getting anything constructive done. I think it is a phase that many people go through and i do not necessarily see it as negative. Maybe being in an introspective vegetative state in front of the TV is just a part of growing up for some folk. A lot of people end up getting bored of this situation and move on, whereas daily use of alcohol can be far more detrimental to health and can be far harder to kick.