benzos and DMT

[xsparkyx]

EDIT: can a moderator move this for me please? It was meant for general....my mistake

I didn't want to start a new thread, but the proper thread was locked.

A poster stated he had taken xanex prior to smoking DMT. I was under the impression that benzos blocked the action of tryptamines. So is the old wives tale true? Did this poster unknowingly lessen his experience by taking xanex before smoking the DMT? I don't take benzos, and never will, but perhaps a discussion can be started on this combination.

A movie produced by Jack Nicholson in the 60's entitled "The Trip" has a scene where a guy freaks out, demands thorozine(sp) from his sitter, to abort his bad LSD trip. Does this actually work? Any experiences to share?

Personally I have taken xanex once recreationally. I have ridden out a few bad trips natually but I don't judge others that use benzos in that way at all, but that's where I'm coming from. I am glad I experienced those in the end. I remember one time drinking milk to abort a trip.....it didn't work. The bright sane morning of a still mind after being obliterated by LSD the night before is a sweet sweet thing. You "buy the ticket, take the ride".....was that HST?

 

[Fractalyzed]

I was on 1 mg of xanax a couple hours ni at the most when i smoked some changa.
It really has you lax without any pre-trip anxiety and definitely helped me with "letting go" during the experience, which is something i greatly struggle with. I got much deeper and was just in awe the whole time.

It helped me get further without the anxiety and fear.

The downfall to this is that xanax makes it really hard to remember anything, and a dmt trip is hard to remember as is, so unless you stick with a low dose, it's likely you wont recall your experience.

 

[Sky Motion]

I have a few benzo's but I'm really not interested in trying. Mostly every DMT user experiences pre-flight anxiety, you are after all throwing yourself into a dimension of unlimited possibilities created by your own mind.

I have heard that it does take away from the experience, and even the worst experiences can be incredibly beneficial!

 

[dtrypt]

I have used Valium to try and calm my nerves before taking off. It dulls the experience - not visually, but that sense of wonder and the alien headspace was gone.

Taking some time to breathe and meditate before lifting off goes a long way...

 

[arcanum]

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A poster stated he had taken xanex prior to smoking DMT. I was under the impression that benzos blocked the action of tryptamines. So is the old wives tale true? Did this poster unknowingly lessen his experience by taking xanex before smoking the DMT? I don't take benzos, and never will, but perhaps a discussion can be started on this combination.

A movie produced by Jack Nicholson in the 60's entitled "The Trip" has a scene where a guy freaks out, demands thorozine(sp) from his sitter, to abort his bad LSD trip. Does this actually work? Any experiences to share?

Benzos don't block tha action of tryptamines as far as I experienced, but they can cause retrograde amnesia ( forgeting everything that occured from when you took it to when it began to wear off) Small doses may or may not reduce the anxiety of a trip turning awry.

An interesting phenomenon with benzos can be the "rebound effect" with diazepam that could be 2 days after taking it due to it's long half life, whereas Alprazolam ( Xanax) can be just 6-8hrs later. Anyhows ,for those who are able to pick up on minor mood and perception shifts, one can notice subtle changes in sound, colour perception, rate of thought turnover,
increase in creative thoughts, faint self generating CEV's and unfortunately dysphoria too ( that's why they can be addictive). However when I've used DMT during these days , I've noticed a more intense and pleasant experience with paradoxical lessening of anxiety. Confusing stuff goes on in the brain!

Thorazine, known as the "Chemical straight jacket" and all the other antipsychotics, offer truly the worst experience you could go through,( and I have been there), it won't abort the trip in the sense that it turns it off, but puts you into a horrible "Limbo state" of suffocating apathy, combined with the inability to sit still, just pacing back and forth like those caged Bears and Lions in a zoo. Horrible.

 

[Retrovertigo]

I'm a big personal fan of Xanax and DMT, as are many of my friends, that being said. Xanax, Kolonopin and any other benzo do damper the effects of mushrooms or LSD but not DMT. I know people who use benzos for a multitude of reasons before a DMT trip from anxiety to muscle spasms

 

[Ice House]

Xanax, Kolonopin and any other benzo do damper the effects of mushrooms or LSD but not DMT.

I disagree. I know from experience that 4mg Klonopin does terminate a full blown Pharma trip quickly. I have used Klonopin to terminate more than one bad oral and or insnuffilated DMT trip and I know of others who have done this also.

I have taken 2mg of konopin to aleveiate anxiety prior blasting off on vaporized spice, I find the effects of DMT retarded significantly when pre dosing with Benzos.

just my experience

 

[Ez]

When I was younger, I took some lsd and then not realizing that valium would abort the trip, took a few of them also. I was dissapointed to have missed out on what felt like a wild ride, but in the long run it was useful information. Prior to that I also tried the milk remedy to no avail.

 

[The Day Tripper]

Benzo's, in may case etizolam (unscheduled benzo, from india) do work to turn off anxiety and can abort a bad trip imo. Never tried them with dmt, but I've used them to "turn off" the stimulation that comes with taking some psychedelic phenethylamines that last long after the psychedelia wears off. I generally notice they turn off the visuals for me and put my in a fluffy mindstate, along with sedation.

Swim wants to try propanolol for preflight anxiety, as he thinks it would be less intrusive to the affects of dmt, and just calm overactive nerves. But if you can't do that in the first place, its not really a good idea to use pharmaceuticals to do so. At least not very often.

As always, be careful and mindful of interactions between any maoi's you may have in your changa and what you are taking. I have no idea if its safe to combine vaped/smoalked maoi's with benzos or beta blockers.

 

[q21q21]

Etizolam is not much of an anxiolytic like klonopin, ativan or xanax (I've read) it is mostly a hypnotic and "euphoriant"

I've never tried the combination or benzos and DMT. I have a bunch of .25mg that I used quite often in the past few months but being as-needed I have found myself needing it less and less.
I suppose it could be interesting to try. For me .5mg is a significant dose and .75mg is like ... 5-6 beers strong. usually don't do that high.

 

[corpus callosum]

Benzos are ,IMO, a very useful class of compound to have about in case a trip goes south; they dont 'abort' the trip in the way your neuroleptics (chlorpromazine/haloperidol etc) do, but they certainly do smother the marked anxiety that is almost inevitable with a freak-out experience.

If used to smooth out pre-flight anxiety then its important to not dose too high as this will dull the experience.Klonopin is a potent compound and I can understand how Ice House felt a 2mg dose of this had significant 'dulling' effects.

RIMAs are not hazardous with benzodiazepines, and this combination is used, albeit rarely, for certain depressive patients with anxiety features.Ive seen one reference to the combination of moclobemide and diazepam, where its mentioned that moclobemide can slow the metabolism of a diazepam metabolite but this simply requires a reduction in the dose of diazepam.This refers to those who take both orally on a daily basis.

 

[Ice House]

Klonopin is a potent compound and I can understand how Ice House felt a 2mg dose of this had significant 'dulling' effects.

corpus, I have a script for Klonopin and they are 2mg pills. Would you reccomend eating half a pill for an anxiety reducing effect?

 

[corpus callosum]

Klonopin is a potent compound and I can understand how Ice House felt a 2mg dose of this had significant 'dulling' effects.

corpus, I have a script for Klonopin and they are 2mg pills. Would you reccomend eating half a pill for an anxiety reducing effect?

IH, if you only use them very infrequently then I would start with 1/4 ie 0.5mg- in terms of anxiolytic effects this dose is close to 5mg diazepam.Shouldnt dull the trip significantly, IME.