Breakthrough was definatly not what I expected!

[Josh-v]

springtime and Catholic looking, with Renesaince cherubs and such.

Wow that is strange, I reckon that would freak me out more then the devil/demon entity I saw
The Egyptian one however was there clear as day beautiful really, almost felt like I was before a true god and where they dwell

 

[march]

I've also never seen an Egyptian entity or place and even Hindu entity or place or I don't remember if I've seen.I've seen many places,entities and symbols but they reminds me most probably Aztec presence if they are not from other worlds.It's really interesting that many people see Ganesha...I've never seen an elephant but I can see almost everytime octupus like thing.Sometimes just tentacles branching and growing like trees and sometimes as a half octupus-half man giant entity.

By the way it's always starts with a 2d,colorful and shifting mandala like vision for me.Then this vision is getting deep like a tunnel and I can recognize entities at this moment somehow,the are appearing in front of me suddenly and they say ''pay attention'' somehow then trance like state begins.Usually they become very close to me and I can feel their touches,it's like they are wrapping me and sometimes we are stretching together to where I don't know.I mean it's not like going,walking,flying to somewhere sometimes; it's like reaching to somewhere but like a plant with roots on the ground.

I've smoked maybe 20 times and it's always like this generally and I've been in some kind of carnival at least 10 times.I've missed the hit 2 times because of poor technique and I didn't see any closed eye visuals or saw very very weak but I saw opened eye visuals on these 2.And I just don't understand when people talk abaout breakthrough or sub-breakthrough.I guess I know what breakthrough is but what really is a sub-breakthrough?Are these 2 missed hits with no closed eye visuals or with no entities are sub-breakthroughs?

 

[3rdI]

I guess I know what breakthrough is but what really is a sub-breakthrough?Are these 2 missed hits with no closed eye visuals or with no entities are sub-breakthroughs?

in my opinion a "breakthrough" only occurs when I am no longer in the room, when DMT seemlessly dissolves all of existence including me.

everything else is "sub breakthrough"

 

[march]

I guess I know what breakthrough is but what really is a sub-breakthrough?Are these 2 missed hits with no closed eye visuals or with no entities are sub-breakthroughs?

in my opinion a "breakthrough" only occurs when I am no longer in the room, when DMT seemlessly dissolves all of existence including me.

everything else is "sub breakthrough"

Yes I feel no longer in the room that I know after I've gone through the tunnel and usually I lose time and place information after that.I mean I cannot say if you ask me what time it is or is it day or night after that moment and probably I cannot even hear you.Then I'm trying to remember time-place and what happened after 10 minutes maybe and usually I'm coming back with one or two words that seems hasn't got any meaning and meaning of everything at the same time and trying to understand what it means.

However I could moved and standed up a few times in the middle of it and I've felt very bad at these moments.It's like they were angry and they were trying to say ''it's not over and you cannot cut this transmission like this whenever you want''.

 

[Global]

It's hard to make a verbal distinction between breakthrough and sub-breakthrough because sub-breakthroughs can be fully realized visions of high intensity Entities can be present here for sure. In a breakthrough, there's something of a change in quality and intensity. The afterglow from a breakthrough also tends to be more intense and sometimes longer. In the process of losing my body in a breakthrough, I essentially inhabit whatever I perceive as a body (which can include music).

 

[sandman203]

Could the reason we see entities in a certain way i.e. linking them to egyptian gods be because of the research and knowledge we know about these certain cultures? I've done lots of research / just plain interested in many ancient and modern cultures and have linked many of the DMT entities to these cultures by way of how they look / communicate. This could mean that the forms that the entities take are influenced by my prior knowledge to dosing or that the entities are actually of this form and are the inspiration of the expression of ancient and modern cultures. Either one is interesting thought! DMT is just so awesome and mysterious

 

[anrchy]

Could the reason we see entities in a certain way i.e. linking them to egyptian gods be because of the research and knowledge we know about these certain cultures? I've done lots of research / just plain interested in many ancient and modern cultures and have linked many of the DMT entities to these cultures by way of how they look / communicate. This could mean that the forms that the entities take are influenced by my prior knowledge to dosing or that the entities are actually of this form and are the inspiration of the expression of ancient and modern cultures. Either one is interesting thought! DMT is just so awesome and mysterious

This could be a good explanation, except i personally know of a few people who's experiences mirrored things they were not even aware of beforehand.

A simple google search brought up a bunch of things they believe they saw yet hadnt learned of them prior to dosing.

 

[Josh-v]

I never researched Egyptian gods before so it was very surprising, IMO I believe the entities are something else entirely, I think we try to make excuses about what me see in order to bring comfort to ourselves and try to explain what we witnessed but the truth is I believe we can't explain what DMT brings forth
I witnessed what I perceived as te devil which was horrifying in appearance, what does that entail, it looked nothing like what I perceived te devil to look like so where did it come from
It is out curse as humans to try to explain and rationalise something we truly don't understand

 

[Molech]

Egyptian, coolio. Only time i could say the trip ever had a feel other that complete astonishment, it was a little bit Gypsy by the crystanthemum. And in this reality the trip manifests for me in a very Aztek/Maya style. Have also had an expirience with a green lizard city. v cool.

 

[Molech]

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