Buckle up your seat belt they said... It'll be fun!

[windyshaman]

Greetings fellow psychonauts!

Mid-40s, came to psychedelics a few years back without any "substances" consumption background at all, had some really rough experiences with shrooms which resulted in me not being able to trip on high doses anymore. At some point - found out about DMT and here I am.

Can't claim - it was smooth sailing so far. Using the Pulsar ProShift dry herbs vaporiser and the learning curve was rather steep to get going. About 1.5g later - it feels - I'm getting a really good hang of it though - 190C is where things are the most controlable and repeatable.

Can't claim - I had actual breakthrough experiences yet, at least - I haven't seen any entities per say... But here are some initial observations:

- I'm getting a lot more cautious about accompanying music. When time starts "shimmering" - my usual go-to tripping playlist gets really sketchy.

- Will use that word again: "shimmering" - had one experience where between opening and closing my eyes - the whole surrounding was literally shimmering in the famous Matrix code - that is, before I learned this was a thing.

- Had another, very memorable trip where I wasn't getting anything by closing my eyes, and then - all of a sudden - all surrounding became so clear and focused... so I made the mistake of looking outside where everything was minecraft-ed (no idea-where this came from as I never even played that game). Three particularly strong thoughts grabbed the hold of my mind right here:
1) "Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?"
2) What if I stay this way?
3) Terrence's death by astonishment...

- When bordering lose-of-body states - outside world perception - actually feels rather similar to my 15g shrooms "dive" which started the streak of very bad trips for me and at this point - I'm inclined to agree with Terrence that shrooms are like a slow-release DMT

- Anybody else gets the "immortal" from "Chronicles of Riddick" effect? Where your "soul" moves faster than your body? Or is it the other way around - body is ahead in time?

- Despite DMT's obvious advantage of being very short lived - I'm starting to miss the "analog" vibe of shrooms. Don't miss the fact that once you're in - you're in for at least 3-4 hours though...

- Feeling very anxious before and while prepping for every sessions - it sheds away after first few in breaths, but still - not a particularly comfortable feeling. Any suggestions as to how to ease it?

Anyhow, really glad to be here!

 

[Tripolation]

Hey windyshaman,

Welcome!

High dose shrooms is such a wild ride. I got up to 10g and that was about as far as I wanted to take it. You are a beast if you took 15 grams! Kilindi Iyi would be proud. Perhaps I could push and do more, but I have to say I struggled quite a bit on 10g and could not imagine upping the dose. The waves were insane. It was like trying to catch your breath in between each wave. but wave after another would crash down on me, washing me into this weird psychedelic soup over and over.

At one point I thought time broke and I was stuck for eternity in this loop. I had to crawl to use the bathroom as it felt like the ground was not solid and I could fall through it at any moment. Looking at the clock and it says 7:00pm, I feel like it's been like four hours, look at the clock again and it's 7:02pm and I am like 'Oh noooo!', time is broken or I have died. I have said never again plenty of times in my life and then go back for more and so there must be some part of me that likes the crazy madness. Never say never I suppose.

Shimmering is a good descriptor. I could see also why Minecraft would come to mind, I played that with my kiddo and I had to stop. I spent entirely too much time playing that game creating a world I called "Trippy World". I basically created a psychedelic amusement park, with roller coasters and all sorts of weird and trippy stuff all around. It's actually pretty fricking cool but I have a habit of getting carried away with things.

I have felt immortal and that my soul was travelling without my body faster than lightspeed. I think I made it to another star system and beyond, I sound like Buzz Lightyear. I could swear that I went past Jupiter and felt it's energy and knew it was alive and conscious.

You may enjoy changa if you are looking for an in between duration. You can cycle in and out of hyperspace more easily. Gives you time to adjust and relax into the experience, the feeling is more like mushrooms in how the come up feels smooth and slow, rather than DMT freebase which can feel like a rocket ship.

Anxious? Ceremony and meditation is what makes me feel grounded and protected in hyperspace. I liken it to preparing for a long journey by getting all my gear in order before I head off. I don't really have any anxiety about it when I approach it this way. I find I am much more excited than anxious, like waiting to jump out of a plane. I have committed, got all my gear ready and now I am in the plane.

Once that commitment is made I find the fear disappears and I go, I jump. Once I am there, I go oh yeah.. this place.. why was I scared or anxious? Not always but often. Every now and again you get a weird wacko lunatic trip where you are being tossed around like some psychedelic Frisbee.

And Music... My friend I have tried everything from death metal to techno. My go to is almost always stuff like Shpongle, Desert Dwellers or Liquid Bloom. I very much enjoy Mozart and Bach on DMT, highly recommend classical music. Guitar pieces and other instrumentals are also excellent.

My preference overall is that the music is low tempo with few or no lyrics.

Keep SHIMMERING!

 

[windyshaman]

Last thing I intended is to brag about the 15g thing. If anything - this only goes to show how little critical thinking is left when you're on higher doses... In other words - that was a stupid mistake and I'm still paying the price. And yet - I kept coming back to it until getting my hands on DMT. There's definitely something good in every bad trip - at the very least - you come out very appreciative of your life in the "real world".

Come to think of it and having skimmed over a few posts about people being "locked out" - I'm starting to suspect - I might be in the same situation and it might just have started with my "stupid-hero" dose of shrooms. All last over-3g trips were really bad and felt sorta "cut-out" - not getting the usual talkative higher entity vibes anymore - not even on 1-2g. And when my DMT trips started to feel like I'm getting somewhere - there was definitely one instance of overwhelming astonishment with an underlying message - "bro you've got the same exact issues here". And I really don't know what to make of it...

Thanks for the changa suggestion - already had a taste of it and definitely enjoying its more relaxed pace - when the vibe is calling for it. Even tried spiking it up with some row powder...

And I totally agree about the music, DMT is definitely calling on something low tempo with no vocals for the mind to stick on... Very different to what I prefer on shrooms - that would be a very selective female vocal trance for the high and something meditative for the afterglow.

Piece!

 

[Toadster]

I'm curious why you chose the Dry Herb Vaporizer?

 

[windyshaman]

Because I'm a dumbarse? Seems to be the story of my life - i'm learning everything the hard way.

Well, for one thing - GVG is hard to come by where I am.

On the other hand - and I'm saying this without any GVG experience whatsoever, so - these are pure speculations... but - there's at least 1x fairly big benefit to using an electronic vaporiser - it's there and it's doing its job. All you have to do - inhale at your leisure as long as there's still any DMT left.

 

[blig-blug]

Because I'm a dumbarse? Seems to be the story of my life - i'm learning everything the hard way.

Well, for one thing - GVG is hard to come by where I am.

On the other side - and I'm saying this without any GVG experience whatsoever, so - these are pure speculations... but - there's at least 1x fairly big benefit to using an electronic vaporiser - it's there and it's doing its job. All you have to do - inhale at your leisure as long as there's still any DMT left.

Look into the e-mesh method. It's electronic too, seems to be very effective (I haven't tried it myself), and it's easy to use.
Also, you may be interested in making vape juice. Easy to make and very easy to vape, I don't think there's an easier method as you can't burn the DMT with it. The only drawback is you don't know the exact dose, but on the other hand you can vape until you reach the point you want, without having to worry about loading another dose.

 

[Toadster]

Because I'm a dumbarse? Seems to be the story of my life - i'm learning everything the hard way.

Than I'm on team dumbarse too.. Own 2 of them, wishing for 'perfect vaporization' and easy swapping dosage carts.
My lungs don't like d-juice, hence my quest for the vaporizer.

But I haven't locked in my technique yet and still prefer e-mesh so far, but I keep looking for the perfect vaporizing method that let's you reload with a capsule or something.

 

[windyshaman]

What are you using for layering? Camomille seems to be working pretty well. Tried peppermint, but it actually froze my throat - felt like it got all swollen. No more.

Thinking about e-meshing, looking for the right material.

 

[Toadster]

Only 1 layer of 200 mesh per 30/45mg is enough.

I've read that medical vaporizers can use ethanol infused DMT.
Maybe I'll try that next

 

[Transform]

I've read that medical vaporizers can use ethanol infused DMT.

It was @some one and @downwardsfromzero that played with medical nebulisers a bit. Inhaling the alcohol vapour may have detracted from the experience slightly, but the overall principle is sound enough, it appears.

I had a go with it but the DMT tended to clog the pores in the transducer membrane. Perhaps using vodka instead of 95% ethanol would help minimise this issue, along with using a salt instead of the freebase.

 

[Transform]

Ultrasonic nebulizer: a new, important idea--must read!

I have a new idea for delivery by lung of DMT--that would ALSO work for psilocybin, mescaline, or practically ANYTHING else (hopefully, anyhow). I want to use this thread for brainstorming about the idea. I especially hope our local chemists will chime in. Here's what got me interested in this...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

but…

^ I second this..

When I tried to nebulize (see previous page) the effect were very weak.
At the time I didn't know if the weak effects were due to DMT fumerate being less active, or due to the nebulizer.
As we now learned that vaping DMT fumerate does seem to work in e-sigs, this means that probably a relatively high % of droplet don't reach (deep enough) in the lungs when nebulizing, wasting most of the goodies.

I consider this project closed / busted!

DMT salt Ecig is the way to go..

:thumb_up:

 

[Toadster]

It was @some one and @downwardsfromzero that played with medical nebulisers a bit. Inhaling the alcohol vapour may have detracted from the experience slightly, but the overall principle is sound enough, it appears.

I had a go with it but the DMT tended to clog the pores in the transducer membrane. Perhaps using vodka instead of 95% ethanol would help minimise this issue, along with using a salt instead of the freebase.

In the paper they spoke of 99% ethanol with up-to 60mg dosages.

 

[Transform]

the paper

Which paper?

 

[Toadster]

Which paper?

My apologies, should have referred to it.

Rapid and sustained antidepressant effects of vaporized N,N-dimethyltryptamine: a phase 2a clinical trial in treatment-resistant depression - Neuropsychopharmacology

 

[Toadster]

not sure if allowed to share, delete if not.

Substance
DMT freebase was isolated and puri ed from M. tenui ora root barks
(purity > 96% by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry analysis). The
DMT was dissolved in 99% ethanol and distributed on a metallic mesh for
vaporization in a medical-grade vaporizer (Volcano® “Medic 2”, Storz &
Bickel GmbH & Co, Tübingen, Germany). The DMT isolation and
administration followed the procedures of our previous phase 1 [31] (see
Supplementary Materials and Methods

 

[Transform]

My apologies, should have referred to it.

Rapid and sustained antidepressant effects of vaporized N,N-dimethyltryptamine: a phase 2a clinical trial in treatment-resistant depression - Neuropsychopharmacology

Tee-hee! Good to see Nexus-based research has made its way to further influence in the academic and medical sphere. Although, I can't see just from the abstract where 99% ethanol came in - so, thanks for attaching that!

 

[Toadster]

I'm not a scientist, not even close, but I can read about these papers and DMT all day!

It also makes me wonder if I can make my Nectar Hex or Starry work after all!
Maybe fill the containers with more mesh, let it heat for 5 minutes or so?
Any suggestions?

 

[Transform]

Ah, OK - the ethanol was not part of the inhalation process:

Substance
DMT freebase was isolated and purified from M. tenuiflora root barks
(purity > 96% by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry analysis). The
DMT was dissolved in 99% ethanol and distributed on a metallic mesh for
vaporization in a medical-grade vaporizer (Volcano® “Medic 2”, Storz &
Bickel GmbH & Co, Tübingen, Germany).

This means the mesh was allowed to dry, and the vaporisation was carried out in a (very nice) convective thermal device. The mesh buttons can be pre-loaded and added to the vaporisation chamber as needed.

It also makes me wonder if I can make my Nectar Hex or Starry work after all!
Maybe fill the containers with more mesh, let it heat for 5 minutes or so?
Any suggestions?

There's a guide to making mesh buttons here somewhere, maybe in a post from one of starway…'s several incarnations.

 

[Toadster]

This means the mesh was allowed to dry, and the vaporisation was carried out in a (very nice) convective thermal device. The mesh buttons can be pre-loaded and added to the vaporisation chamber as needed.

S&B Volcano Med I believe.

I'll use the search for the Mesh Buttons, now I know what to look for, thanks!

 

[Icon]

S&B Volcano Med I believe.

I'll use the search for the Mesh Buttons, now I know what to look for, thanks!

I recently had trouble finding the buttons, which were normally sold by S&B on their website. I called them liquid pads, but I like mesh button better.

Anyway some U.S. vape regulations bill caused S&B to stop selling the buttons to Americans. You can still find them resold through third parties, here was a link I found

https://tools420.com/product/mighty-crafty-vaporizer-liquid-pad-set/

I believe the rest of the world can just order them directly still.

There must have been a reason for using ethanol to load the DMT into the button for the experiment, but in practice you can just melt it in.