Bufo with Citric acid - Strange result

[FastFourierT]

***EDIT: Edited the title since its been figured out. The complete outline is in post#4. Everything written before that might seem ambiguous and unclear, SWIM apologies for that(what he wrote seemed very descriptive to him at that time) ***


Followed Quick n easy Bufo tech on 28g of cebil with few modifications along the way:

Baked the seeds first, not too hard(350F). A bit of smell, dark brown color. No popping.

Deshelled. Resulted in about 21g of inner seed.

made a paste, then baked it again for an hour or so(turned black, funny smell. nowhere near burning tho)

grinded up, 4 pulls with acetone(didnt bother to make it anhydrous)

Totalled 250 ML On those 4 pulls due to fast evap of acetone combined with several coffee filter filtrations.Dark brown/black color acetone.

started adding maximum saturated citric acid acetone. Instant color change and mass precip of dark gunky mess.

Poured off acetone, scraped off the gunk. it dried up very fast into black resin. Its active but still very nausating. (A BIT was smudged onto caapi leaf - i could take bong rips that sent me straight to bed). BTW theres a lot of it. lik 5 grams. And its hard, can hold chunks of it in hands without getting stained.



now interesting thing, under one of those black resinous clumps, theres a droplet(1.5cm across) of clear somewhat almost light blue /lightgreen transparent(almost) slightly softer resin, covered in thin layer of the resin thats everywhere else. Need opinions Swims hoping thats the good stuff

I really dont want pure product but something I could infuse Changa with thats not too nausating. Will try to use Ron's toasting tecnique on the black resin and see what comes out of it.


EDIT: Swims cought a wiff from his bong after - smells like "classic" resin hes smelled before. He prolly smelled this a couple of times in his life and cant describe it presicely but its excatly like "regular" resin without any funny smell mixed in. Hard to explain but if one would smell they would deff find it familiar.

 

[Infundibulum]

Did you freebase the seeds (i.e. making a paste of them with water and sodium carbonate or calcium hydroxide)? You mention no such step. If you didn't make that, then what you get is unlikely to be bufotenine.

And even if you did that, then after adding acetone-citric acid you must have gotten bufotenine citrate, which is not the best for smoking.

 

[FastFourierT]

Quick N easy tek has the basification/freebasing step in it. Only outlined the modifications I made along the way.

Yes it is Citrate. There were a lot of questions about using citric acid vs fumaric in this tech. it was mentioned before that citrate is hydrospopic. With baking it is not as runny however.

 

[FastFourierT]

Hmm shoulda waited for fumaric acid to arrive to do a proper extract

This crude citric extract does not behave as described by other members(spent many hours reading bufo subforum). After the citric acetone precipitation step I did not get a runny goo that I could mix in with more sodium carb to make a freebase cake again. It was rather hard and chunky. Not sure what caused this, minor baking or de-shelling.

That hard resin was dissolved in a bit of hot water, mixed and let sit over hot bath for an hour to make a somewhat sludgy water-resin solution of approx 50ml(some insolubes were noted). After that sodium carbonate was slowly poured in and INSTANTLY the same hard gunky resin formed, in a yellowish/brownish water/sodium carb solution.

SWIM decided not to separate but keep evapping this brown/yellow water together till it gets hard to hopefully make a cake. It dried up as 2 separate substances, black resin pieces together with chunks of sodium carb, ranging from tan to dark-grey/black color.

SWIM has no idea whats the right step at this moment, but he will try to dissolve a small part of this mess in acetone and see if it separates.

Any suggestions ?

 

[FastFourierT]

Seems the main difficulty was the second freebasing. The reaction did not occur when he added sodium carb into that sludge that was described above. However after baking this dry and grinding it all together strong ammonia smell came up that was missing when dropping sodium carb into the sludge-water.

He pulled this again with acetone and evapped it straight onto 2.3g of herb(2g caapi foliage .3g white sage). Tiny amounts were sampled by SWIM and his flatmate, sandwitched beetween leafy shwag, no more than 20-30mg of LEAF over 20 minute time period, since they did not know what to expect from this. Effects: complete lack of nausia or even small discomfort(not a hint), very nice and strong body high(similar to smoking after taking a long break... but a very positive headspace and lack of anxiety/paranoia thats commonly associated with large intake of cannabis). SWIM was perfectly content with just sitting and listening to the same soundtrack for half an hour with his mouth half open. SWIMS flatmate reported tingles on his neck that were not present for SWIM. So far the result is inconclusive, however SWIM been trying various forms of his bufo extract over last few days so he expected some tolerance to form, so he will wait 2-3 days and report again.



Main purpose of this mini project was to obtain smokable, but not necessarily pure bufotenine, using only the simplest chemicals available(acetone and sodium carb) and without having to do relatively complicated steps that seems to fail for many other members(cleaning up with 1:4 Acetone/naptha ratio etc)



Overcap:

1. Baked 28g of Cebil seeds on 300F for an hour.
2. Deshelled, resulting in 22g of inner seed.
3. Grinded to a powder, mixed in 1/4 sodium carb by weight, made a cake, dried cake in the oven on 300F for an hour.
4. Grinded cake up.
5. Pulled with acetone x4, decanted sludge, filtered acetone thru single then double coffee filter. 250ML resulting solution.
6. Premixed citric acid in about 150ml of clean acetone(over several hours), slowly poured that in until no more discoloration occured and then some more. Instant hard "ribbed" sludge formed on the botton/sides.
7. Dried this up into hard chunky resin.
8. Added 50-100ML of hot water and mixed over an hour simmering until it became slightly thicker than water.
9. Started adding sodium carb, instant formation of the same looking resin covered in yellow/brown sodium carb water.
10.Baked it for an hour on 300F.
11. Chunks of resin and dried up sodium carb are grinded together.
12. Pulled with acetone and evapped into herb.


Shoulda evapped the acetone to see what exactly came out of it but time was pressing over such an extended project.

I will see what will go different without de-shelling the seeds, because it is such a pain(although an excellent mediation practice ). Will also report in a few days if the resulting "Bufochanga" is psychoactive.