Caapi + dmt more or less no effects?

[richard_hole]

Boiled up 50g caapi 3 times, got a nice tea out of it, the taste wasn't that bad, just like a strong herbal tea.

I did mess up one of the boils as all of the water evaporated, however, it didn't look or smell like the caapi burnt so I just did one extra boil. Next time I will use more water and check on the pan more frequently to avoid this.

About 2 minutes after drinking the tea, I dissolved 70mg freebase DMT in a glass of juice squeezed from a lemon, probably around 20-30ml.

About an hour later I got some mild, but nice closed eyed visuals which felt kinda like I was in a dream like state. I also think I fell asleep.

About 2 hours in I had an overall feeling of warmth, and upon looking around my room I saw very very subtle visuals.

At this point I figured I'd done something wrong but I wanted to test the maoi so I vaped around 30-50mg freebase dmt over the course of about 20 minutes.

I was surprised that I had basically no effects to begin with so I went to pick up the pipe for another toke before looking round my room and noticing that effects were gradually getting stronger. It was like good changa, very clean and spacey. I knew now that my caapi had definitely worked.

Another toke put me more in the zone and I felt the same sense of being guided as I do on changa.

One of the tokes gave me an almost bad experience for around 20 seconds but I just viewed it as part of the experience, let it run its course, laughed at the negative thoughts and it went away.

It seems that the harsher the toke, the more negative the trip, at least for the first part. I'm not sure how true this is for everyone, but everytime I've had good, clean tokes that leave me with very little body load or nausea, I can properly immerse myself in the trip and the whole thing is completely enjoyable and lucid.

Kinda went off topic there, basically I'm slightly confused as to why the 70mg DMT I drunk alongside with the caapi had virtually no effects if the maoi was proven to be active. Maybe I have a high tolerance to DMT? Or maybe I should've waited longer before drinking the DMT, however this seemed unnecessary considering Ayahuasca is a single brew.

Also I fasted from 5pm yesterday and drunk today at 11am.

 

[3rdI]

hello richard_hole,

it could be a few things and the only real way to tell is by trial and error.

1, maybe not enough caapi to inhibit the gut but enough to effect vaping.
2, not enough DMT, I wouldn't notice much from 70mg of DMT.
3, eating something an hour or so before can kick start the digestive system.
4, some people report better effects if they leave a little gap between the 2 parts of the brew, maybe 20 mins.

it could be any or non of those and many more things as well. If it was me I would up the dose of Caapi to 100g before I did anything else.

The other thing is that maybe that's just what Aya had in store for you, you don't always get what you want/expect.

anyway good luck next time

 

[richard_hole]

hello richard_hole,

it could be a few things and the only real way to tell is by trial and error.

1, maybe not enough caapi to inhibit the gut but enough to effect vaping.
2, not enough DMT, I wouldn't notice much from 70mg of DMT.
3, eating something an hour or so before can kick start the digestive system.
4, some people report better effects if they leave a little gap between the 2 parts of the brew, maybe 20 mins.

it could be any or non of those and many more things as well. If it was me I would up the dose of Caapi to 100g before I did anything else.

The other thing is that maybe that's just what Aya had in store for you, you don't always get what you want/expect.

anyway good luck next time

I would've used more DMT but read that 50mg was a good starting dose, so didn't want to over do it. Although I did read of someone using 250mg.

Trial and error is definitely key. The way the maoi works is like magic and I'm glad I got to try that out and vape some dmt anyway.

I thought 50g caapi was a pretty standard dose for 1 person? Next time I'll definitely try 100g, wait 20 minutes and then drop 100mg dmt. It was odd because I didn't really feel anything fully until about 2 hours in so maybe I do need to wait for the maoi to kick in.

 

[3rdI]

Starting low and working up is a pretty good way to go.

100g of vine and 100mg of magic seems like a good next step to take.

Enjoy:thumb_up:

 

[Du57mi73]

My first aya I did 100mg of harmine and 100mg spice and barely felt anything. Different people feel different amounts. Also are you taking an ssri?

 

[richard_hole]

nope not on any ssri. You did that and barely felt anything? This really is trial and error! I guess I'm gonna go in with no expectations each time so I don't come out in any disappointment. Determined to find the sweet spot

 

[3rdI]

Remember that, up to a point, it doesn't matter how much DMT you drink, if your not drinking enough harmalas to inhibit your MAO then you will always feel very little since the DMT will be destroyed before it has a chance to do its thing.

Its an interesting experience to drink just harmalas on there own, this will allow you to discover your harmala sweet spot before you start adding the DMT. they can also be very psychedelic at the right dose

Dosages vary hugely from person to person, I've read people drinking as little as 200mg of harmine and 50mg of DMT and having a wild ride, then I've read about people drinking 7-800mg of harmalas and 300 mg of DMT and finding the experience quite manageable.

This magic be weird crazy stuff.

 

[shanedudddy2]

I destroyyyyed myself and literally thought I was dying on 3g of rue + 200mg of freebase DMT one time.
I had an uncontrollable thirst for water unlike anything i had ever experienced, and my senses were switching with one another (eg. feeling my left leg on my right leg, and vice versa, with all the senses having swaying and altering delays, eg. sometimes sound before vision, or feeling before seeing. etc).
I have taken countless psychedelics to the extremes in the past, and it was one of the scariest experiences I have experienced.
So on that note, be careful, and change each variable carefully, one at a time.

 

[richard_hole]

shaneduddy did you taste colours?

Maybe I will go easy, but still I'm upping the dose to 100mg regardless. I'll have some syrian rue soon maybe I'll try that also.

I just smoked some spice today, almost 24 hours after drinking the caapi and it seems the maoi is still somewhat active. How long should this last?


Also, could anyone recommend a decent strength, reasonably priced blender for powdering this stuff down? Also I have loads of cashews I want to make nut butter with haha it's really getting me down that they're slowly rotting in my wardrobe.

3rdI, taken into consideration; my caapi will definitely be upped next time and I'll make sure to pay it close attention when boiling.

 

[3rdI]

Also, could anyone recommend a decent strength, reasonably priced blender for powdering this stuff down?

I have one of these, I have found that the most important factor in blender survival is a good space below the blades, no space and it gets clogged and seems to burnout.

 

[richard_hole]

Also, could anyone recommend a decent strength, reasonably priced blender for powdering this stuff down?

I have one of these, I have found that the most important factor in blender survival is a good space below the blades, no space and it gets clogged and seems to burnout.

The reviews don't look too good haha I've been blender shopping for a while though.

Roughly how long and how fine does it make the powder for you?

 

[3rdI]

It dusts it up pretty well, you still get some fibres but it works fine

I didnt read the reviews as i got mine from wilko, This was my 3rd blender and best so far, just don't over fill it, I go with 50g at a time. I also found that if you put your bark in the freezer over night before blending it makes a big difference. I can post a pic of some blended bark tmoz if you want.

I figure cheap blenders arent meant to deal with wood so there gonna brake eventually, one day I will by a Vitamix and all my blending fantasy's will come true.

 

[richard_hole]

It dusts it up pretty well, you still get some fibres but it works fine

I didnt read the reviews as i got mine from wilko, This was my 3rd blender and best so far, just don't over fill it, I go with 50g at a time. I also found that if you put your bark in the freezer over night before blending it makes a big difference. I can post a pic of some blended bark tmoz if you want.

I figure cheap blenders arent meant to deal with wood so there gonna brake eventually, one day I will by a Vitamix and all my blending fantasy's will come true.

I thought Vitamix was around £250, looks like they average at £500, there's even one for a grand haha thats a lot for some finely powdered bark.

I've found it's hard to actually shop around online, trying to find blenders for the right price and for the right purpose. I guess anything from like 500-1000w should be alright?

Or you can get one of these