Caapi extraction, no ppt

[cinagor]

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[Crazyhorse]

I don't know but I hope someone does, I'm in a similar boat right now myself. I've only added the lye to half of my tea so far, it changed colors but I got no alkaloids from that at all. Not sure if I should try it on the other half and risk ruining it, or just drink it as is.

 

[Ambivalent]

Hey everyone,

I recently bought caapi, and did the "Easy caapi vine alkaloid extraction guide". But after the boils, and adding NaOH, I got no precipitate. I left the solution settle out for a day, but no luck.

So I double-boiled it until it became relatively solid, and I got ~10g of black goo (from 50g caapi vine).
I thought of a few things I could do with it:
-use as a tincture
-put 1.5g on my enhanced leaf (500mg spice), but I don't see how I could smoke that
-water wash it, and see what I got left, either use it as a tincture or make changa
-do a xylene pull, maybe do a H2O wash on the solvent, and evaporate on enhanced leaf

Any opinions, suggestionsn anything?

How much acid did you use for the initial boils. it may be that you didnt added enough lye/base to neutrlize the concentrated acidic brew. this is one option...
there is still possibility that its a matter of potency or just bad caapi. i would first find out if it has alkaloids at all or not. then you will know if proceeding further is worth it.

@Crazyhorse

if there was a color change than you deffinitely neutralized the acidic brew.if your brew was concentrated and viscous than the alks will need good ammount of time to settle. fridge usually helps with settling alot.

 

[gibran2]

The alkaloid content in caapi is extremely variable.
I’ve have vine with about 3% alkaloids, and vine with as little as 0.3%. It’s even possible to have only trace amounts.

The lower the alkaloid concentration, the more likely you’ll have precipitation issues.
Have you tried the caapi as a “natural” brew? Did it give effects?

Also, I’ve found that working with shredded bark is much easier than with powdered bark. I’m guessing that the suspended solids in powdered bark may interfere with aggregation and precipitation of alkaloids.

 

[Crazyhorse]

@crazyhorse

if there was a color change than you deffinitely neutralized the acidic brew.if your brew was concentrated and viscous than the alks will need good ammount of time to settle. fridge usually helps with settling alot.

It's been sitting in the fridge for over 24 hours now, no precip at all.

Any chance that basifying it even further might help?

The lower the alkaloid concentration, the more likely you’ll have precipitation issues.
Have you tried the caapi as a “natural” brew? Did it give effects?

Also, I’ve found that working with shredded bark is much easier than with powdered bark. I’m guessing that the suspended solids in powdered bark may interfere with aggregation and precipitation of alkaloids.

I only had 100g of caapi to start with, and yes unfortunately it was powdered so I found out firsthand what a pain it is to work with that way. :? Won't make that mistake again! This is "Cielo" Ecuadorean, from Phytoextractum.

After boiling down the "tea" to about 3 or 4 cups it was too thick to filter effectively so I just left it to settle for awhile. After about a week the top half of the jar was a light tan colored liquid, and the bottom half was pretty much mud. I poured off the thin stuff in the top layer, which turned out to be almost exactly the 400ml called for, so I added my 5g lye to 50ml hot water, then stirred it for 5 minutes. As mentioned above, it's been in the fridge for about a day, and I can't see any alkaloids settling out.

So in the hopes that all the alkaloids are in the dark stuff from the other half of the jar, I mixed that part with about 3-4 times it's volume in water to make it thin enough to filter, and ran it through a t-shirt to remove the solids. The liquid that came out has been sitting in the fridge for about a day as well, it isn't totally clear but it's very light colored now. I had been planning on taking it tomorrow so I'm hoping for some advice on whether to cook it down and just drink it like that, or reduce it to 400ml and try adding lye to this half as well. I've also seen people mention freezing then thawing it first to clarify it more, would that be a good idea?

Any advice is much appreciated! Cinagor I hope you don't feel like I'm hijacking your thread, it just seems like we're dealing with similar problems here so I'm hoping whatever advice I get might help you as well. When I came on here to ask about my problem and saw you already had a thread going about basically the same thing, it seemed silly to start a new one.

 

[cinagor]

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[cinagor]

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[gibran2]

Let’s see if I got this right:

From 100g of caapi you got about 10g of “goo” and consumed 2.73g of it orally. That would translate to roughly 25 – 30g of caapi.

For me, 15g of strong caapi, 2% alkaloids or more, will produce a very strong caapi-only experience, including some rather intense nausea.

If you’re not entirely sure if the effects you felt were from the caapi or placebo, your goo is probably not very strong. Even if your caapi contained only 0.5% alkaloids, 30g of it would yield noticeable effects (not necessarily strong effects, but definitely noticeable).

 

[Crazyhorse]

Let’s see if I got this right:

From 100g of caapi you got about 10g of “goo” and consumed 2.73g of it orally. That would translate to roughly 25 – 30g of caapi.

Actually *I* had 100G caapi, he said he started with 50.

Sorry I didn't mean to make it confusing.

 

[cinagor]

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[Crazyhorse]

Eeew.

 

[Eliyahu]

This is why I am a strong believer in H20 ONLY caapi extractions

 

[Crazyhorse]

This is why I am a strong believer in H20 ONLY caapi extractions

That's actually what I've got at the moment, not counting the part I already put lye in. Thinned out and filtered my mud, then cooked it back down to 400ml. Debating whether to just drink it, or try extracting from it. The drawbacks to drinking it as far as I can tell is I have no idea what the proper dose would be at this point, not knowing how strong what I've got left is or the quantity of the original alks might have ended up in it (if any). Also I'd rather avoid the urp. I don't have a sitter and don't want to pull a Hendrix. Very open to advice however, I'm doing this tomorrow one way or another but don't want to die.

 

[Eliyahu]

This is why I am a strong believer in H20 ONLY caapi extractions

That's actually what I've got at the moment, not counting the part I already put lye in. Thinned out and filtered my mud, then cooked it back down to 400ml. Debating whether to just drink it, or try extracting from it. The drawbacks to drinking it as far as I can tell is I have no idea what the proper dose would be at this point, not knowing how strong what I've got left is or the quantity of the original alks might have ended up in it (if any). Also I'd rather avoid the urp. I don't have a sitter and don't want to pull a Hendrix. Very open to advice however, I'm doing this tomorrow one way or another but don't want to die.

I personally believe Hendrix was killed by his mobster/jerk of a manager but that's besides the point.

I would just take it a drink at a time until you feel very light headed and then dose your dmt. The likely hood of you "hendrixing" with just caapi involved is pretty remote.

If you were using syrian rue and mimosa there would be a more violent purge maybe...

It's hard to explain to people who haven't gone through it but an ayhausca puke is like an incredible experience. Not to sound super crude but it's similar to finally pooping after being constipated for a very long time...

Ayahuasca is the only thing I have ever tried that actually makes me WANT the puking..:want:

 

[Crazyhorse]

I would just take it a drink at a time until you feel very light headed and then dose your dmt. The likely hood of you "hendrixing" with just caapi involved is pretty remote.

Ayahuasca is the only thing I have ever tried that actually makes me WANT the puking..:want:

All right guess I'll give that a go then. Thanks. It seems like there's a chance my caapi might have just been bunk to start with, so i figured extracting would at least tell me if there's anything there, but I guess at worst I just end up drinking some nasty stuff for nothing. It's not so much the idea of puking itself that bothers me, it's the combination of that with unconsciousness that seems sketchy.

How long should I expect the caapi effects to last?

 

[Eliyahu]

In all honesty I think most all the equadorian caapi powder is weak for the most part..

Truly your lucky if you can even get it to work without drinking a tremendous amount..


For future reference I believe it is more effective both cost wise and trip wise to a mixture of either pure harmine/harmaline and caapi or a combo of syrian rue/caapi...

I generally use about 100-150 grams of caapi along with about 50mg of dmt fumerate and a little 10x syrian rue extract that i have...

Combining caapi with syrian rue does not ruin the caapi effect it only enhances it as long as you don't use too much rue....about 2-3grams does it for me..some times 5.

So if you get it to work it would probably only last about two-three hours tops.

BTW you are not really unconscious during it.... unless you take a HUGE AMOUNT of DMT.

I have always been able to get up and walk around even in hyperspace modes.


I have been in full on hyperspace while on the toilet dozens of times...No big deal, just decorate your bathroom well..lol

 

[Crazyhorse]

BTW you are not really unconscious during it.... unless you take a HUGE AMOUNT of DMT.

I have always been able to get up and walk around even in hyperspace modes.


I have been in full on hyperspace while on the toilet dozens of times...No big deal, just decorate your bathroom well..lol

Interesting... I've pretty much been judging my success by whether or not I lose consciousness. not sure I understand how you can "leave your body" and still move around. I felt like I got close once or twice, very heavy and lethargic in the body, but also kind of floaty and euphoric at the same time, similar to the one time I smoked opium in a way. But no visuals except maybe some very mild abstract CEV that could almost have been my imagination. No colors or anything very interesting, and no OEV. Although I do enjoy the feeling that goes with it quite a bit, and the lack of the confusion that I get from shrooms. I don't get any visuals off 4g of good shrooms either, but used to have no problem in that area at all with LSD.