Caapi/MHRB Experience Log

[Tree_Spiral]

CAAPI Experiments:
Here is a personal log of how I made my brews and the results...
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1st Experience:
50g + 4.5L Volvic Water
1.5 tblspoon vinegar per 1.5L Water/Wash

Wash 1:
Burner Set on 4 (Low Boil) for 2.5hrs

Wash 2:
Burner Set on 4-3 (Low Boil/Simmer) for 3hrs

***Wash 1 & 2 combined Wash 3 left in pot w/Caapi 15hrs in fridge***

Wash 3:
Burner Set on 4 (Low Boil) for 2.5hrs

Combined & Reduced
Drank immediately
Result: Effective dreaming while awake/third eye type hallucinations. Effective with Wardruna music, ambient trance type music wasn't right. Met spirit guide. Crown chakra area pulsating. No purge.

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2nd Experience:
50g + 9L Tap Water
Varied Vinegar per Wash

Wash 1:
Burner Set on 4-3 (Low Boil/Simmer) for 3hrs
1.5 tblspoon vinegar

Wash 2:
Burner Set on 4-3 (Low Boil/Simmer) for 3hrs
1 tblspoon vinegar

***Froze for 1 day***

Wash 3:
Burner Set on 4-3 (Low Boil/Simmer) for 3hrs
.5 tblspoon vinegar

Wash 4:
Burner Set on 4-3 (Low Boil/Simmer) for 3hrs
.5 tblspoon vinegar

Combined & Reduced
***Put in fridge for 15hrs***
Continued Reducing Phase
Drank
Result: Slight altered state effect. No hallucinations or worthwhile experiences. No purge.

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3rd Experience:
50g Caapi + 12g MHRB + 3L each
1 tblspoon vinegar per 1L Tap Water

Wash 1:
Burner Set on 4-3 (Low Boil/Simmer) for 3hrs
1 tblspoon vinegar

Wash 2:
Burner Set on 4-3 (Low Boil/Simmer) for 3hrs
1 tblspoon vinegar

Wash 3:
Burner Set on 4-3 (Low Boil/Simmer) for 3hrs
1 tblspoon vinegar

Reduced both MHRB & Caapi
Drank immediately
Caapi: Drank at 1800
MHRB: Drank at 1830
Result: 1900ish I began to just start experiencing effects of hallucinations. 1925-1930 began experiencing dream like hallucinations telling me to purge. 1935 purged. 1945-1950 all effects gone. Turned lights on to see if light sensitivity was there... It wasn't. I figured Caapi and MHRB was in my system long enough to be absorbed, but once I purged everything was gone.

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4th Experience:
50g Caapi 3L Tap Water + 25g MHRB (CWE) 125ml Tap Water

MHRB CWE 1:
Mortar & Pestle 25g Shredded MHRB into powder (Tough bits of MHRB left) put into air tight Tupperware container. Poured 125ml water on top. Shook up. Left to sit for 1.5 hrs. Strained through French Press. Put MHRB back into container, poured 125ml water on top. Left to sit for 1hr. Stained through French Press. Separated from MHRB.

MHRB CWE 2:
Took same MHRB from CWE 1 and combined with 200ml water in separate container. Shook up. Let sit for 3 days shaking occasionally. On third day I separated MHRB and water same way and left in container.

Caapi Brew: (Started 1700)
Combined 50g Caapi with 3L water and half a lemon.

Burner set on 4-3 (Low Boil/Simmer) for Xhrs.
At 3hr into wash I added second half of lemon to wash.
At 12AM I removed from burner and put into fridge overnight.
Started brewing at 920am.
Reduced & Finished at 1025am.

Drank Caapi at: 1210
Drank MHRB CWE 1 at: 1230 (130ml)

Result: Felt the effects beginning to ramp up at 1300 and around that same time I began to feel sick. Withheld purging until around 1330-1340 when it was overwhelming and forced its way through. After purge any effects were diminished.

 

[Tree_Spiral]

I'm starting to think that the first time was a welcome and to get there or past I will have to double the Caapi in future brews. I'm a bit torn personally... I find it takes too long to brew (Slow cooker maybe??) and I don't like the taste.

I know the MHRB potency can very a lot and that the batch I have may be no good, but all I believe it has done for me is made me puke into a bucket. While I don't like the taste of Caapi and it can make me gag a bit on the second gulp I can hold it down without any issue.

I think going forward potentially extracting DMT would be the best way for me, I find the typical Naphtha pull a bit daunting and nasty sounding.

 

[tgun]

Thanks for your insight. Im about to embark on my first aya journey and have some/the materials but im not sure if I was going to include acacia into my caapi/viridis aya experience or not. Also unsure of the amounts I would use. From reading reports i was under the impression that an oz of each caapi/viridis would be a good starting point.

 

[Tree_Spiral]

Thanks for your insight. Im about to embark on my first aya journey and have some/the materials but im not sure if I was going to include acacia into my caapi/viridis aya experience or not. Also unsure of the amounts I would use. From reading reports i was under the impression that an oz of each caapi/viridis would be a good starting point.

It appears to vary too much to tell on most which probably why I've always been told 50g to potentially cover the "light weigts". If I were to suggest a Caapi amount to someone I have a feeling 75-80g is probably better then 50g. Seeing as it takes a lot of tending to it is kind of a hassle when it doesn't work. For me I've had more "failure" than success making it kind of a waste of time and money.

I will try again with 100g Caapi next time, likely on its own as I have a feeling the purge is clearing too much out of me. I will then try Rue + MHRB as I still am trying to get to that DMT experience.

 

[3rdI]

When Aya works it works,

When you dont think it worked its probably worked

You get out what you put in, if you see the preperation and lower doses as a waist then your creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

If you want a DMT experience then just smoalk some DMT.

If you continue to work with Aya, and it is work, then I would suggest next time go with 75-100g of vine plus add mixture.

 

[tgun]

I was already thinking that due to the variables that I would make the teas seperately (100 g of each is all I was able to afford) so that I could adjust the dosage of each. Hopefully during the same experience so that I do at least get something from it. I dont think I will be dissapointed but originally I was hoping to get 3 doses of aya to do some what I would call self work/resetting my clock that is needed badly at this point.

The acacia is really for a DMT tek but thought it may also be a nice additive to aya, or I hope so. I loved freebase DMT but after some reading, think that aya may be more usefull atm for myself. I too am looking for a DMT-esque experience but maybe that is just because that is the only thing I have to compare it to. I broke through 1 of the 5 times that I used FB. Id sure like to feel something as amazing as that was again.

 

[Tree_Spiral]

When Aya works it works,

When you dont think it worked its probably worked

You get out what you put in, if you see the preperation and lower doses as a waist then your creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

If you want a DMT experience then just smoalk some DMT.

If you continue to work with Aya, and it is work, then I would suggest next time go with 75-100g of vine plus add mixture.

The reason I'm trying to gain access to DMT was for the spiritual aspect of it. I tried Caapi only because I wanted to know what it was like on its own. There are the people who view every little thing as spiritual and those who are scientific about it and others who do both. I don't see how me chanting over the top of the brew is going to extract any more chemicals than if I were to be simply stirring it quietly.

A recipe for a brew is just that and isn't necessarily a spiritual process as much as it is a way to have a spiritual experience. That is my opinion.

I don't think me slaving away over a stove for 9+ hours of which time I have very little of means I'm doomed experiences as much as it has to do with the weights of the product which I'm using. As such this is what I don't like about Aya/Caapi brew is the amount of time it takes to see or not see a result. I'm posting these processes and results as a combined post on the forum to provide some insight for others who are going down the path.

NOTE: I would have to say that brewing with lemon as opposed to vinegar smelled and tasted better to me. The smell during the washing processes when using vinegar was never appealing.

 

[Tree_Spiral]

I was already thinking that due to the variables that I would make the teas seperately (100 g of each is all I was able to afford) so that I could adjust the dosage of each. Hopefully during the same experience so that I do at least get something from it. I dont think I will be dissapointed but originally I was hoping to get 3 doses of aya to do some what I would call self work/resetting my clock that is needed badly at this point.

The acacia is really for a DMT tek but thought it may also be a nice additive to aya, or I hope so. I loved freebase DMT but after some reading, think that aya may be more usefull atm for myself. I too am looking for a DMT-esque experience but maybe that is just because that is the only thing I have to compare it to. I broke through 1 of the 5 times that I used FB. Id sure like to feel something as amazing as that was again.

I haven't used acacia but one thing I found with MHRB is that there are several references to brewing it similar to Caapi as harming its potency. The heat and acidic water might break it down as opposed to doing a simple CWE. Having done both I'd say neither worked for me sooooo it might just be bunk MHRB. I'll try from another source down the road.

Whether this factor of brewing/CWE is the same for acacia I don't know, it might be worth a look at?

 

[3rdI]

If you don't want to put in the time to brew Aya then don't do it.

If you want a DMT experience then extract DMT and vape it.

I would guess that the reason your Aya didn't work is because you didn't do it properly, not because your bark was bunk.

It seems you want easy access to spirituality and it also seems like you want the pay off but don't want to put in the work, I don't think it works that way, like I said you get out what you put in.

 

[friken]

I'm not sure what your trip goals are (looking for a mild or OMG dose?)

In response to #3:

3rd Experience:
50g Caapi + 12g MHRB + 3L each

Result: 1900ish I began to just start experiencing effects of hallucinations. 1925-1930 began experiencing dream like hallucinations telling me to purge. 1935 purged. 1945-1950 all effects gone. Turned lights on to see if light sensitivity was there... It wasn't. I figured Caapi and MHRB was in my system long enough to be absorbed, but once I purged everything was gone.

12g boil of mimosa should be mind blowingly over the top assuming enough mao inhibition. I am not familiar with caapi as I use rue for mimosa tea. I have only done 10g mimosa boil w 4g rue once and honestly I'm a bit scared of that high a dose again. Ego death, eternity without self, very difficult time coming in/out of self on the come down. 4-5 hours to peak, 8 or so hours to near baseline. The trip itself felt like numerous lifetimes and time was meaningless. It was extremely difficult.

I say this as a warning as you up the maoi you may go from little to no effect to a real mind fuck @12g Mimosa. 2-4g mimosa is enough for a very solid trip for most. Everyone is different though... you may just be one of the few that seem to take a lot to get to the same place, but my guess is you just haven't gotten the maoi dose high enough and have way more mimosa than needed.

This was a while ago, but I thought my mimosa was bad using a cold water extract without maoi (read it was active without). So I tried again thinking I had old or bad mimosa so tried a 10g mimosa/4g rue dose. It was something else... old trip report from that:

A Journey of Fear - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[vineseeker]

If you don't want to put in the time to brew Aya then don't do it.

If you want a DMT experience then extract DMT and vape it.

I would guess that the reason your Aya didn't work is because you didn't do it properly, not because your bark was bunk.

It seems you want easy access to spirituality and it also seems like you want the pay off but don't want to put in the work, I don't think it works that way, like I said you get out what you put in.

I had the same idea, thats good advice 8)

 

[Tree_Spiral]

If you don't want to put in the time to brew Aya then don't do it.

If you want a DMT experience then extract DMT and vape it.

I would guess that the reason your Aya didn't work is because you didn't do it properly, not because your bark was bunk.

It seems you want easy access to spirituality and it also seems like you want the pay off but don't want to put in the work, I don't think it works that way, like I said you get out what you put in.

If I've spent 9+ hrs brewing it then how am I cutting corners? I've read Minxx's post and followed it, I left out all the long winded details and cut straight to the process.

Fact is the first brew Caapi only was good, I even spent a little less time than I did on the brews afterwards. I personally believe it is a weight issue, that's fine if you believe it is the goblin beneath my stove but I don't know where you get the impression I haven't spent time brewing it. How do you brew then? Shredded/Powdered/Whole, grams, litres, length of brew(s), how many washes?

 

[Tree_Spiral]

I'm not sure what your trip goals are (looking for a mild or OMG dose?)

In response to #3:

3rd Experience:
50g Caapi + 12g MHRB + 3L each

Result: 1900ish I began to just start experiencing effects of hallucinations. 1925-1930 began experiencing dream like hallucinations telling me to purge. 1935 purged. 1945-1950 all effects gone. Turned lights on to see if light sensitivity was there... It wasn't. I figured Caapi and MHRB was in my system long enough to be absorbed, but once I purged everything was gone.

12g boil of mimosa should be mind blowingly over the top assuming enough mao inhibition. I am not familiar with caapi as I use rue for mimosa tea. I have only done 10g mimosa boil w 4g rue once and honestly I'm a bit scared of that high a dose again. Ego death, eternity without self, very difficult time coming in/out of self on the come down. 4-5 hours to peak, 8 or so hours to near baseline. The trip itself felt like numerous lifetimes and time was meaningless. It was extremely difficult.

I say this as a warning as you up the maoi you may go from little to no effect to a real mind fuck @12g Mimosa. 2-4g mimosa is enough for a very solid trip for most. Everyone is different though... you may just be one of the few that seem to take a lot to get to the same place, but my guess is you just haven't gotten the maoi dose high enough and have way more mimosa than needed.

This was a while ago, but I thought my mimosa was bad using a cold water extract without maoi (read it was active without). So I tried again thinking I had old or bad mimosa so tried a 10g mimosa/4g rue dose. It was something else... old trip report from that:

A Journey of Fear - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

lol well I'm trying to get more than what I did my first brew which was 50g Caapi only. I've been told/read that 5-10g of MHRB should be good enough the first time around. To be honest the scale was around 10-12g of MHRB. As for the CWE I took Jonathan Ott's recipe which he's stated to having used 20-30g of MHRB. This was for use by itself, the drink I had today I had part of the first CWE. I still have another CWE sat in the fridge, but I'm still not really feeling this one personally. In some senses I think it's ruined the Caapi experiences I may have had.

I intend on exploring Rue+MHRB with small doses of both in the future.

 

[3rdI]

I never said you were cutting corners.

I never said you didn't spend time brewing

I never said goblins had anything to do with it.

By not doing it properly I meant you were not using enough vine, if you were then 12g of mhrb would have been outrageously strong.

Sometimes Aya doesn't work the way you want it to, even the same batch can give very different results, if you have a busy life then that's fair enough but Aya use and prep takes time, there's no way around it.
If you had drunk 100g of vine plus add mix I'm sure it would have worked.

My prep is shredded vine brewed until the boils come out nearly clear, then reduce. I drink my Aya then meditate for 20 mins and follow this with a shot of DMT in OJ.

Don't underestimate intent and set/setting.

To cut down on cooking times you could try rue, it needs less brewing than Aya and can provide very similar experiences. Or if you have an iron gut you could just cap rue and mhrb and swollow those but that's a bit to for me.

I wouldn't give up because it didn't work out the first few times, the rewards are worth the persistence.

 

[Tree_Spiral]

I never said you were cutting corners.

I never said you didn't spend time brewing

I never said goblins had anything to do with it.

By not doing it properly I meant you were not using enough vine, if you were then 12g of mhrb would have been outrageously strong.

Sometimes Aya doesn't work the way you want it to, even the same batch can give very different results, if you have a busy life then that's fair enough but Aya use and prep takes time, there's no way around it.
If you had drunk 100g of vine plus add mix I'm sure it would have worked.

My prep is shredded vine brewed until the boils come out nearly clear, then reduce. I drink my Aya then meditate for 20 mins and follow this with a shot of DMT in OJ.

Don't underestimate intent and set/setting.

To cut down on cooking times you could try rue, it needs less brewing than Aya and can provide very similar experiences. Or if you have an iron gut you could just cap rue and mhrb and swollow those but that's a bit to for me.

I wouldn't give up because it didn't work out the first few times, the rewards are worth the persistence.

Sounds fine, I wasn't intending on giving up; all I think MY problem is is the MHRB. It makes me purge and when I do it clears out any effect I had in my system prior to purge. I do meditate and actually put myself into a particular frame of mind DAYS before taking it. I didn't mention all the little things as I was focusing the log purely on recipes amd trying varying types. While my routine works for me it will likely mean nothing to someone else as they will need their own personal touches to the ritual.

The next brew I do will be 100g Caapi only, while I don't like the taste it doesn't make me purge which I can clearly associate with cleansing me of any experiences.

If 100g doesn't work I will likely move on as there is a cost and time investment there. If my experiences were even 50% successful I would have a difference of opinion on the matter.

 

[friken]

Ah another person who found otts cold water extract post and used it as a starting point -- me too and it bit me. Ott found that mimosa was active without an inhibitor for him but only in very large doses(20g if I recall, and he wished he took more). Many others including me have tried recreating his cold water extract without maoi and most find either zero activity without maoi or very little. I tried 30g mimosa cold water without maoi and it was non active. My theory is if you take in enough mimosa or any DMT source without maoi, at some point you overrun the bodies mao. It seems Ott is lucky and his body has far less capacity of Mao than mine does .

With full maoi inhibition, mimosa is quite potent. I think (not a caapi expert) that most use 100-200g caapi (verify) for full maoi. I know for me using rue, 3g is nearly full maoi and 5g is overkill and seems to lenghten the trip greatly (10 hours for me vs 4-5 with 3g).

Why i say otts info bit me it was because I tried, got zero result, thought my material was bad, then tried a very high dose of mimosa with full maoi. That dose was 10g mimosa 4g rue. Numerous posts here will back up the claim that mimosa tea for most people is pretty potent starting at 2g assuming enough maoi.

I wish you well in you journey. My suggestion:

Try 100-120g caapi boil, then 2-4g mimosa. No sense in doing what I did and sending yourself into soul reconstruction your first go at it. I almost never touched the stuff again it was so rough.


The technique I used (from others):
Rue, grind to powder 3-4g.
Add water and book 3x30 minutes capturing liquid from each.
Combine and reduce to a shot glass worth and set asside .

Powder mhrb 2-4 grams (2 solid trip, 4 strong, more hero dose, 10-15 is suspect is blackout range for most)
Boil 3x30min as w the rue
Combine and reduce to shot glass

I have tried with and without acid (lemon,vinegar,citric acid) and find if material is powder and 3x30 is used there is no need and it tasted far less fowl without.

If you care to, you can use egg white to clear up the mimosa tea (search clear mimosa tea). It will cut the nausea.

As a report of purging, don't worry about how long you keep it down. If you have enough maoi in you, you can trip like mad even if you puke minutes after drinking the mimosa. My 10g trip I think I only kept the mimosa down a few minutes and lost 100℅ open eye reality before I could get from sink to bed.

 

[tgun]

I haven't used acacia but one thing I found with MHRB is that there are several references to brewing it similar to Caapi as harming its potency. The heat and acidic water might break it down as opposed to doing a simple CWE. Having done both I'd say neither worked for me sooooo it might just be bunk MHRB. I'll try from another source down the road.

Whether this factor of brewing/CWE is the same for acacia I don't know, it might be worth a look at?[/quote]


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I have a hard time thinking that the ACRB or the MHRB for that matter would be destroyed buy acid or heat considering that most A/B extractions use it for DMT extraction. I could be wrong and it could possibly destroy something else usefull? especially since it is such a small amount of bark to begin with, how much DMT are you really getting from it anyway? I will however look into it some more for sure.

I chose caapi instead of rue because I may not want that intense of an experience to start off with. Trip reports on EROWID where the people seemed to have worse times or a "different" kind of intensity that sound like it could be alot to handle sometimes. I havnt dismissed rue totally as it is less expensive still and easy to prepeare. I will just handle it very carefully. Good luck with further endevors. Please keep us posted.