Can DMT be influenced by black magic to provoke certain actions?

[Jungleheart]

I kinda think your subconscious wanted you to examine these themes so brought them to light. They are important themes in society and for one to consider in terms of developing your own values. Do I believe in black magic? Yes, but I think the light is so much stronger.

 

[dithyramb]

There are documentaries on black magic. As for speaking for the country that I live in, apparently it is cast and affect people very often. Not in the social universe that I live in, but among common folk.

I think the likelihood of a sold psychedelic being used to spread black magic is low. The higher likelihood is that it is produced unconsciously with contaminated energies.

 

[Jungleheart]

Maybe it's because you didn't make it yourself.

 

[Panpsychic]

But if you’re asking whether black magic is objectively real, then no it’s not. No one can cast a spell and harm you through supernatural means, regardless of your awareness. This is just not how the natural world operates.

This is of course, nothing but an assumption fueled by your own limiting world view, which is broadly materialistic.

Why would you be interested in DMT, which deals with the supernatural, not just "the natural world"? The world of nature is still being understood.

Why not control your ego, learn to not speak of things you are ignorant or have no knowledge of, and keep an open mind to an area we are exploring. While many superstitious beliefs are not based in reality, this is also true of many formerly scientific 'truths' that turned out to be nonsense. Black magic, though not something I have personally experienced, may have some psychic basis and to dismiss it outright especially based on psychedelics activation of the psyche is just a personal view you have and nothing more.

In short, skepticism isn’t just denial it’s curiosity held to a higher standard.

True skeptical enquiry is nothing like the sort of dismissals without due investigation you are spouting though. That attitude hinders true scientific enquiry.

 

[Varallo]

This is of course, nothing but an arrogant and ignorant assumption fueled by your own limiting world view, which is broadly materialistic.

Why you would be interested in DMT at all, which deals with the supernatural, not just "the natural world" is beyond me. The world of nature is still being understood.

Why not control your ego, learn to not speak of things you are ignorant or have no knowledge of, and keep an open mind to an area we are exploring. While many superstitious beliefs are not based in reality, this is also true of many formerly scientific 'truths' that turned out to be nonsense. Black magic, though not something I have personally experienced, may have some psychic basis and to dismiss it outright especially based on psychedelics activation of the psyche is just a personal view you have and nothing more.




True skeptical enquiry is nothing like the sort of dismissals without due investigation you are spouting though. That attitude hinders true scientific enquiry.

Let’s keep it civil, and skip the ad hominem attack, starting out by calling someone arrogant and ignorant is not the way to start an conversation, it’s a very clear signal that you’re not here to actually exchange ideas.

You’re criticizing a materialist worldview while insisting on the superiority of a supernatural one, but both are perspectives. One however is based on proof and the other one belief. Does that mean one is wrong or one is more important than the other, sure for me it does and in the shared space we call reality it also matters. That doesn’t mean you’re not free to believe what you want, but dismissing anyone who questions those beliefs as “ego-driven” or “limited” doesn’t make your view more valid it just makes it dogmatic.

Now belief isn’t immune from challenge. And someone not agreeing with you doesn’t mean they’re close-minded, it might just mean your beliefs aren’t shared as much as you had hoped. Also being open-minded doesn’t mean the non believers have to entertain every unprovable idea indefinitely. True open-mindedness includes the ability to close the door on claims that have no data, no mechanism, and no reproducibility. At some point, continuing to entertain these ideas isn’t humility, it’s intellectual negligence.

So if DMT is as vast and mysterious as you suggest, then that means there’s room for many perspectives, and not just yours.

 

[Panpsychic]

Maybe skip the ad hominem attack, starting out by calling someone arrogant and ignorant is not the way to start an conversation

Its an observation based on your statments, not ad hominum. Dismissing someones view and projecting your own assumptions, isnt how one engages in a discussion.

You’re criticizing a materialist worldview while insisting on the superiority of a supernatural one, but both are perspectives. One however is based on proof and the other one belief.

Hardly.
The core ontological basis of materialism is actually entirely unknown and unfathomable as anyone who has followed quantum physics would know.
The type of materialist worldview you appear to espouse, which seems to be the Cartesian-Newtonian one, is both redundent according to modern scientific findings and lacks the genuine scientific enquiry needed to progess understanding into areas we dont know, which includes psychedelics.

While I dont endorse a belief in black magic, based on the varied phenomen reported on psychedelics as well as their widespread beleifs in shamanistic traditions, dismissing such possibilities comes across as both arrogant and also simply not something you or anyone is in any position to say at this point.

Does that mean one is wrong or one is more important than the other, sure for me it does and in the shared space we call reality it also matters.

Just because something is outside your experience doesn't make it not part of reality, only 'your reality'.

True open-mindedness includes the ability to close the door on claims that have no data, no mechanism, and no reproducibility. At some point, continuing to entertain these ideas isn’t humility, it’s intellectual negligence.

There are plenty of theoretical mechanisms, some scIentific, that are possible for psychic phenomena.
As to data and reproducibility, the phenomenan in question need not be endorsed and reproduced by institutions of materialists to be valid and real parts of natural phenomena.

So if DMT is as vast and mysterious as you suggest, then that means there’s room for many perspectives, and not just yours.

I concur, and that applies to you also.

 

[Ruffles]

Not cool dude. Chill out.

 

[hugfortysix]

Why would you be interested in DMT, which deals with the supernatural, not just "the natural world"?

That is a massive assumption on your part and not necessarily the point of view of others.

 

[DM3]

More than black magic, I’d be wary of buying anything from the dark web, especially from unknown sources and with questionable quality. Why take the risk? You can easily make your own extracts from plants. This site is all about that. I wouldn’t gamble with mysterious substances from the dark web. They could sell you anything, and you only have one health. Think about it!

 

[Voidmatrix]

Um... yeah... like I said in the other thread, let's all chill out.

While a primitive part of us seems to want definite answers to many of our earnest queries, reality seems largely open-ended. There are glaring holes in methodology and process of any paradigm we choose to use to understand and "know" reality, regardless of the metaphysical premise and philosophical basis of a system. So, let's have this conversation in a respectful and open-minded manner.

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