Can Hyper Space Travel Alter Local Space/Time/Events

[sham]

I'm asking this because I've experienced some very strange coincidences while travelling and observing a fellow traveller.

Here's a brief experience report to hopefully prompt some discussion.

I recently had the opportunity to launch in a rural environment. A friends house in an isolated and heavily forested area surrounded by national park and highlands. It was the perfect setting to continue the journey.

The night began with few misfires on the launch pad, I thought that I was being locked out before breaking through into a time trip or journey in my own memory space.

On lifting off I found myself in a waiting room, but it was immediately familiar with a Dr's surgery I had visited when I was about 7yrs old. I would have visited this place maybe once or twice, I wasn't sure why I was there, was I ill or was it another family member, I have no idea as to why I could even recall the place. Previous to this trip I had no recollection of this event or its significance. It felt like I was experiencing something like superposition in that I could comprehend the trip from both positions. The younger me was trying to make sense of experiencing what I perceived to be the present and the me in the present was trying to work out why I was in the waiting room, and if I had this experience at that time when I was a boy that is, was that the reason I was at the Dr's a psychological issue, or did I possibly just have weird unrecollected experiences when I was young and in this instant break through to me in the 2015

I was shifting in and out of the experience and when I began to come back I was accompanied by travelling companion. There was a fractally animated face connected to a coiling figure/infinite loop that was without colour, but vivid and transparent, the face was human and familiar, so I was laughing and attempting to reach out as my eyes were open and I was still coming down. I was reaching out and telling my sitter that I was still not down 'I'm in the mycelium' and that's what it felt like, either that or a web, I was inbetween. On landing I remember saying 'well that was different' there was an immediate power cut throughout the house, it lasted no more than a couple of seconds. This was obviously a coincidence, but strange, I asked my friend if it had really occured, and he confirmed that it had. This event was all the stranger due to a similar real time experience that occurred while he was in hyperspace approx 20 mins prior to my launch. While he was gone there was a palpable ambient shift that resonated through the surrounding area. I felt it, and noted that something had changed outside the house, the frogs and insects all shifted pitch simultaneously. This could definitely have been a natural reaction to other animals, change in temperature or other variables, but it coincided with what I was feeling and what was recounted to me as a profound break through experience by my travelling companion, he said something to the effect of 'It felt like a hole had been ripped in the fabric of time'

 

[Global]

I don't know about hyperspace affecting local time/space, but I do know that the opposite is true. DMT objects/entities/energies will circumvent physical objects in the environment. IME they don't usually just pass through matter like ghosts or completely pre-programmed hallucinations. Also, the physical environment that one finds oneself in is like a container for hyperspace. If it's a large room, hyperspace will be large to match. If it's a small room, everything will be bunched up in your face. I find either of these to be preferable to being outside where everything just balloons away up into the atmosphere and loses the binding micro details of a good vision.

 

[null24]

I don't know about hyperspace affecting local time/space, but I do know that the opposite is true. DMT objects/entities/energies will circumvent physical objects in the environment. IME they don't usually just pass through matter like ghosts or completely pre-programmed hallucinations. Also, the physical environment that one finds oneself in is like a container for hyperspace. If it's a large room, hyperspace will be large to match. If it's a small room, everything will be bunched up in your face. I find either of these to be preferable to being outside where everything just balloons away up into the atmosphere and loses the binding micro details of a good vision.

Interesting. I don't have the same experience tho. My most intense DMT trips have been outdoors, and very much in my face once broken thru. I've not had this occur with hyperspace bending to conform to third space. Except on lower dose, open eye experiments where perception is altered and an overlay of reality is superimposed over what I normally perceive.

 

[Noisy]

I personally had a similiar experience, more than one year ago, which is still very strange to me.
The setting was quite similar, in a rural environnement, in a friends house, with no neighbours, near a forest.
I broke through, find myself in a gigantic room with six or seven thrones, one was empty and the entities who sat there invited me to join them. No need to say, I was very impressed (that was my first break through) and I didn't look to their faces (I think I was afraid to recognize them and then be somehow loked in this place). To convince me to take a seat among them, these entities said to me to try to interrup the rain (there was a big summer rain from a thunderstorm making noise on the roof).
When this intense experience fade away, I told this encounter to my friend who was surprised: the heavy rain effectivly stopped and restarded for a few seconds two times during my trip.
This said, this session was very particular: we vaped three time each during this day and each experience was incredibly strong, some of them meaningful.

 

[Global]

I don't know about hyperspace affecting local time/space, but I do know that the opposite is true. DMT objects/entities/energies will circumvent physical objects in the environment. IME they don't usually just pass through matter like ghosts or completely pre-programmed hallucinations. Also, the physical environment that one finds oneself in is like a container for hyperspace. If it's a large room, hyperspace will be large to match. If it's a small room, everything will be bunched up in your face. I find either of these to be preferable to being outside where everything just balloons away up into the atmosphere and loses the binding micro details of a good vision.

Interesting. I don't have the same experience tho. My most intense DMT trips have been outdoors, and very much in my face once broken thru. I've not had this occur with hyperspace bending to conform to third space. Except on lower dose, open eye experiments where perception is altered and an overlay of reality is superimposed over what I normally perceive.

Yes. A lot of people seem to agree with you, but for the way the mechanics work for me, it is best to do it indoors. I don't think it's so important to find a be-all-end-all version of how hyperspace works, but that everyone should try to become intimately aware of how it works for them. I think those times when you get the duds are great opportunities for experimenting. In other words, if you were looking to breakthrough, and were disappointed because you didn't, then it makes for the perfect chance to start seeing what affects what. If you have your eyes open, and reality is superimposed...see what happens when you get out of your seat and changing your position...or turn in place...or tilt your head upward and focus on one point on the ceiling....turn all the lights off/on...sing...while insights may no doubt come during rewarding breakthrough experiences, one should learn to make the best out of every one.

 

[tseuq]

offtopic:

... one should learn to make the best out of every one.

:thumb_up:

tseuq

 

[PsyDuckmonkey]

This sort of "non-causal causation" or "synchronicity event" or what should I call it can be one of the most mystifying experiences in life. I have experienced so many of these (though not on DMT, it was more in conjunction with regular ole Magick).

Of course skeptics will maintain that it's a coincidence. There IS truth in that our minds find such events memorable, while for example all the frogs shifting pitch NOT when you're smoking DMT might happen all the time, but it just passes under your radar.

I find it a good idea to keep an open mind, but avoid jumping to conclusions.

 

[GingerGeorge]

This sort of "non-causal causation" or "synchronicity event" or what should I call it can be one of the most mystifying experiences in life. I have experienced so many of these (though not on DMT, it was more in conjunction with regular ole Magick).

Of course skeptics will maintain that it's a coincidence. There IS truth in that our minds find such events memorable, while for example all the frogs shifting pitch NOT when you're smoking DMT might happen all the time, but it just passes under your radar.

I find it a good idea to keep an open mind, but avoid jumping to conclusions.

Your view on this seems like a good way of looking at it, much like horoscopes you focus on the bits that are true and remember them as being 'correct'.

Personally my friends and I have never noticed any impacts on the local environment during our smokes. With my basic understanding of physics it seems rather impossible that what you describe is anything but coincidence.

 

[Global]

Personally my friends and I have never noticed any impacts on the local environment during our smokes. With my basic understanding of physics it seems rather impossible that what you describe is anything but coincidence.

Current models of physics do not take into account the type of energy that is regularly encountered on DMT, or if they do, it is not openly acknowledged. I'm reading that "Mystery School in Hyperspace" book by Graham St. John, and there are a lot of stories, which I thought I knew, and turns out I only had superficial details on. One is the legend in regards to the Grateful Dead. They claimed that when someone playing smoked DMT, that the music would get louder. Stanley Owsley, also responsible for mass producing acid, also did the Dead's music tech stuff. He claims to have recorded a boost in decibels

Stanley hadn't paid this mystery much heed, but upon further observation he noticed that DMT smoked in the civinity of sound equipment was capable of increasing the decibel levels considerably. Not only was Stanleu able to measure an increase in decibels, but "the tubes would get red hot and burn out half the time and it would tear the voice coils out of the speakers." If the amplifier was maxing at 127 dB, when somebody smoked DMT it would increase to 132 dB. Stanley even postulated a theory about how the DMT user whose consciousness has been altered when smoking DMT could affect the configurations of electrons in the guitar.

I know that personally, I've had some odd electrical appliance malfunctioning, randomly turning on/off, etc...when smoking DMT. It actually tends to feel like a natural response to the very electric-energetic nature of the DMT experience.

 

[PsyDuckmonkey]

Personally my friends and I have never noticed any impacts on the local environment during our smokes. With my basic understanding of physics it seems rather impossible that what you describe is anything but coincidence.

Current models of physics do not take into account the type of energy that is regularly encountered on DMT, or if they do, it is not openly acknowledged.

Okay so here's my own viewpoint. The possibilities are the following:

* The reductionists are right, and there is no such thing. Synchronicity events are a cognitive illusion caused by selective attention.

* The world we live in is dharmic / "mind-over-matter". Everything we see and think from a human perspective, including such things as physics, atoms, etc., is inverted, like observing the mechanics of pixels on a screen, and thinking that the pixel colors "cause" or "control" the video game.

Now the important part about this second option is that it does not invalidate physics, or any other scientific discipline. "Hyperspace" or "mystical" events are not caused by weird mystery energies, "electromagnetic resonances", or any such thing. They are effects in a different layer of existence, one ontologically distinct from this space-time continuum.

(This possibility encompasses all sorts of cosmologic explanations, like a solipsistic "dreaming God", a Matrix-like prison planet with everyone fed with a digital simulated reality, a dance of creation spirits do for the fun of it, etc.)

What I personally think unlikely is that regular, this-here-space-time physics is somehow responsible for non-causal or retro-causal effects. It's just plain not how this-here-space-time works, quite demonstrably.

 

[GingerGeorge]

Personally my friends and I have never noticed any impacts on the local environment during our smokes. With my basic understanding of physics it seems rather impossible that what you describe is anything but coincidence.

Current models of physics do not take into account the type of energy that is regularly encountered on DMT, or if they do, it is not openly acknowledged. I'm reading that "Mystery School in Hyperspace" book by Graham St. John, and there are a lot of stories, which I thought I knew, and turns out I only had superficial details on. One is the legend in regards to the Grateful Dead. They claimed that when someone playing smoked DMT, that the music would get louder. Stanley Owsley, also responsible for mass producing acid, also did the Dead's music tech stuff. He claims to have recorded a boost in decibels

Stanley hadn't paid this mystery much heed, but upon further observation he noticed that DMT smoked in the civinity of sound equipment was capable of increasing the decibel levels considerably. Not only was Stanleu able to measure an increase in decibels, but "the tubes would get red hot and burn out half the time and it would tear the voice coils out of the speakers." If the amplifier was maxing at 127 dB, when somebody smoked DMT it would increase to 132 dB. Stanley even postulated a theory about how the DMT user whose consciousness has been altered when smoking DMT could affect the configurations of electrons in the guitar.

I know that personally, I've had some odd electrical appliance malfunctioning, randomly turning on/off, etc...when smoking DMT. It actually tends to feel like a natural response to the very electric-energetic nature of the DMT experience.

That sounds like an interesting read for sure, would you mind me asking where is the book available from?

 

[TGO]

Personally my friends and I have never noticed any impacts on the local environment during our smokes. With my basic understanding of physics it seems rather impossible that what you describe is anything but coincidence.

Current models of physics do not take into account the type of energy that is regularly encountered on DMT, or if they do, it is not openly acknowledged. I'm reading that "Mystery School in Hyperspace" book by Graham St. John, and there are a lot of stories, which I thought I knew, and turns out I only had superficial details on. One is the legend in regards to the Grateful Dead. They claimed that when someone playing smoked DMT, that the music would get louder. Stanley Owsley, also responsible for mass producing acid, also did the Dead's music tech stuff. He claims to have recorded a boost in decibels

Stanley hadn't paid this mystery much heed, but upon further observation he noticed that DMT smoked in the civinity of sound equipment was capable of increasing the decibel levels considerably. Not only was Stanleu able to measure an increase in decibels, but "the tubes would get red hot and burn out half the time and it would tear the voice coils out of the speakers." If the amplifier was maxing at 127 dB, when somebody smoked DMT it would increase to 132 dB. Stanley even postulated a theory about how the DMT user whose consciousness has been altered when smoking DMT could affect the configurations of electrons in the guitar.

I know that personally, I've had some odd electrical appliance malfunctioning, randomly turning on/off, etc...when smoking DMT. It actually tends to feel like a natural response to the very electric-energetic nature of the DMT experience.

That sounds like an interesting read for sure, would you mind me asking where is the book available from?

I got my copy through amazon. Mystery School In Hyperspace

Some more details via The Nexian here: Mystery School in Hyperspace: A Cultural History of DMT - The Nexian

The book also contains art by a couple Moderators here: Uncle Knucles and Cyb.

I haven't started reading it yet. I'm waiting until I finish Magicians of the Gods

 

[sham]

Hey Grateful One, I got my copy from Amazon, great read so far :thumb_up:
I've lined up Magicians of the Gods as my next read. You should chk this link, Hancock and Carson on Joe Rogan Experience

 

[GingerGeorge]

I got my copy through amazon. Mystery School In Hyperspace

Some more details via The Nexian here: Mystery School in Hyperspace: A Cultural History of DMT - The Nexian

The book also contains art by a couple Moderators here: Uncle Knucles and Cyb.

I haven't started reading it yet. I'm waiting until I finish Magicians of the Gods[/quote]

Thanks!

 

[Global]

What I personally think unlikely is that regular, this-here-space-time physics is somehow responsible for non-causal or retro-causal effects. It's just plain not how this-here-space-time works, quite demonstrably.

Some things to consider:

1) Paul Villard discovered gamma radiation in 1900. Before that, everyone was completely oblivious that form of energy existed. Their physical senses could not confirm it, and no machinery indicated it was present, but it was simply under everyone's noses the whole time. You could think of any form of radiation (other than visible light and heat) as an example of forms of energy that people had been oblivious to up until the time they were discovered. Some people may have suspected it was there, but without any evidence, they would likely be scorned.

Whether or not the energetic interactions from DMT fall on the electromagnetic spectrum or not is irrelevant because if one takes any of the evolution of knowledge regarding forms of radiation to heart, then it would be ignorant to de facto dismiss a form of energy as being legitimate that, funny enough, shares something very important in common with heat and visible light: it is perceptible!

2) DMT energy is perceptually similar to energy as well as fulfilling the "classic" definition of energy in physics: the ability to do "work," where work is defined as the ability to move through space-time (sorry if I'm conjuring my memory of high school physics here). In my interactions with the energy, physical contact with energetic objects or fields from hyperspace feels like magnetism (though it surely isn't). The magnetic-like force has the ability to move my body from one place in time to another, as magnets would move in a magnetic field. Furthermore entities (as well as the rest of hyperspace) seem to be composed of this energy, and requires the energy to do its "work" in hyperspace. I know some others can attest to this as well, that an entity or object in hyperspace without energy/vibration becomes deadened and dull in color. With the energy, they can do all of the fantastical, multi-dimensional actions with which many of us are familiar.

This energy can be increased and directed by focusing attention, and it readily interacts with forms of physical energy such as light, sound, etc...It is part of my theory that entities/things in hyperspace are designed/have evolved to be beautiful or ugly to captivate attention in order to maximize their energetic input, so they can do (hyper)"work."

3) Though hyperspace doesn't exhibit classic physics phenomena, it should be recognized that it does have its own rules of physics. Its not like just anything can happen there. Actions, however magnificent or seemingly impossible, occur within a rule-based structure. It is interesting that light, sound, heat and other forms of energy from classic physics interact with the hyperspatial energy. I think the suggestion here is either that there are two distinct, yet interconnected, systems of physics here, or that DMT reveals a yet-to-be-scientifically discovered form of energy, and perceptually demonstrates the nature of this energy.

[edit]: So now that I think about it, looking back on the OP's original question, I would have to say that at least in my own experience, DMT can alter local space/time/events in the sense that if you are a human with a nervous system, the energy from hyperspace can autonomously and involuntarily move the body through space-time, whether it is acting on the body in the way a classical force moving the body would act, or whether it engages the muscles in the body to act, circumventing the traditional route of physical energy in the body-brain system that enables us to have voluntary control over our muscles.

 

[PsyDuckmonkey]

Thanks for the explanation of your views. I guess the point where I'd myself consider such a hypothesis would be this "dmt energy" obviously affecting objects that are part of the consensus reality.

"Work" done on your own body, however strange, can easily be explained by a non-standard mode of operation of your own nervous and muscular system. (Levitating off the ground would be another thing entirely though.) "Work" done on your consciousness, or objects not part of the consensus reality can be explained by "it's all in your head".

So we're back at step one, whether synchronicity events (so far the only arguable effect on consensus reality) can be objectively corroborated, and the effect tied into consensus reality physics beyond "distorted probability".

 

[TGO]

Hey Grateful One, I got my copy from Amazon, great read so far :thumb_up:
I've lined up Magicians of the Gods as my next read. You should chk this link, Hancock and Carson on Joe Rogan Experience

Hey, thanks for the heads up, Sham! Listening to it now!

 

[Jees]

..."Work" done on your own body, however strange, can easily be explained by a non-standard mode of operation of your own nervous and muscular system. ... "Work" done on your consciousness, or objects not part of the consensus reality can be explained by "it's all in your head"...

So all can be explained.

But giving something a definition is not an explanation at all, it's only fitting a word to it. This is too easy, let's call it X or Y and then close the books, call it a day, case dismissed.

Your suggested "non-standard mode of operation of nervous system": is this not a tad inviting to take a closer look at instead of using it as a means to shove it in the "explained" box?
It suggest itself the existing of different modes of the nervous system.
It does not suggest these modes are all plain easy simple straight in line with everything we know right now. I think there's more in your words than what you were planning to use them for.

 

[Global]

Thanks for the explanation of your views. I guess the point where I'd myself consider such a hypothesis would be this "dmt energy" obviously affecting objects that are part of the consensus reality.

"Work" done on your own body, however strange, can easily be explained by a non-standard mode of operation of your own nervous and muscular system. (Levitating off the ground would be another thing entirely though.) "Work" done on your consciousness, or objects not part of the consensus reality can be explained by "it's all in your head".

So we're back at step one, whether synchronicity events (so far the only arguable effect on consensus reality) can be objectively corroborated, and the effect tied into consensus reality physics beyond "distorted probability".

Energy is energy, and it gets transmuted through numerous forms constantly. When you walk from point A to point B, the simple view of energy that we tend to take involves the kinetic/potential energy involved with lifting/lowering the feet that push off the ground, where some of the kinetic energy becomes sonic energy too in the form of the sound of footsteps. I'm sure you could get more detailed, but that little picture is to ignore the view that humans eat food and drink water to absorb chemical energy, which will ultimately be converted into the electrical energy (signals) that move through the nervous system to allow the muscles of the body to contract/relax in order to make the kinetic/potential/sonic energy picture to work as initially stated above ([edit]:not to mention respiration).

The energy from hyperspace conflates this picture a bit because it is unclear if it is allowing genuine access to an energy source that is either typically unavailable or that we are more often-than-not, unaware of. It can cause physical actions to take place in the world that would not ordinarily take place. "Moving from point A to point B" is a kind of simplistic example when compared with the autonomous mudras that myself and others have experienced. Extremely sophisticated, precise, and balanced shifts in posture occur in what feels like the body doing Qi-Gong motions for you. Without the perception of the energy, I can never replicate the effect. I can't just waive my arms in the same way or anything like that. Hyperspace exerts its influence on physical reality at this level, and it is not to say that it does not subtly affect inert matter. In today's modern technological climate, I don't think it would be too difficult for many here to repeat Owsley's experiment with the Grateful Dead and the speakers maxing out higher after one of the musicians smoked DMT. If we can collaborate to verify that effect, then it would be a good piece of evidence to suggest that hyperspace does in fact interact with the physical world.

 

[sham]

"In today's modern technological climate, I don't think it would be too difficult for many here to repeat Owsley's experiment with the Grateful Dead and the speakers maxing out higher after one of the musicians smoked DMT. If we can collaborate to verify that effect, then it would be a good piece of evidence to suggest that hyperspace does in fact interact with the physical world. [/quote]"

Great idea Global, hope I'm not going to far off topic here, but I'm now curious about whether it's possible to observe or identify other humans in hyperspace, and if there have been any experiments or projects that have attempted to utilise the nexus to do so.