cant get aya right! thinking of trying capsuled freebase?

[Tyler_Trismegistus]

So the past four nights I had four misfires with ayahuasca. The first two nights I brewed 50g of caapi with 4g of mimosa hostilis and got some mild cev patterns and that's it. No nausea or anything. The third day I tried the same mimosa with 70g of caapi. Similar effects.... last night I tried to take them separately and drank 50g of caapi and then ten minutes later took three grams of mimosa. Nothing again D: I'm going to brew the rest of my caapi today and was thinking about just extracting my mimosa so I could take more of an exact dose of DMT.... does anyone do pharma with caapi tea instead of freebase harmala extract or rue? If so how does it differ from a full mimosa experience?

 

[soulfood]

Maybe try waiting 30-40 minutes?

My most potent experiences have occurred with that timing and I've had good luck with waiting even longer. The key is to make sure you have plenty of caapi alkaloids processed in your system too. 50g caapi with some strains would be quite weak. I recommend doing a massive brew of caapi. Way more than you need is fine as it keeps nice in the fridge or freezer for longer term. So you need to drink caapi until there's a definite change in perception. I like to feel sedation or a visual change with caapi alone, then I consume an admixture.

The downfall with this method is that you're probably going to feel already nauseous when consuming something that tastes rather bitter. Some folks are cool with that but others are not.

My favourite combo is doing the above mentioned with the caapi, then smoking changa or freebase once effect are felt. This isn't the same as ayahuasca obviously, but it's... well it's better For me anyway.

I usually redose ayahuasca anyway because my initial dose is usually riddled with anxiety and forced weirdness. Once I'm acclimatized I dose again and things usually run much smoother after that.

 

[some one]

Weird how effects can differ each time.
Used 100 mg Harmine + 60 mg DMT -> left intense lift off.
Last time I did 100 mg Harmine + 100 mg DMT -> didn't feel anything.

Figured it would be good to be saturated with RIMA first for more effect, as you mention. Will try your method next time.

Will also try boiled Ayahuasca instead of extracted Harmine, combined with freebase DMT (dissolved in something acidic). DMT plants seem difficult to boil good sometimes. extracted DMT will enable better dosing. Maybe thats you problem tyler? Ayahuasca should be easy to boil and shouldnt fail unless the plant quality is too poor.

My personal plan for next time is:

+0 hrs: 75 g boiled Ayahuasca
+1 hrs: 100 g boiled Ayahuasca + 80 mg DMT
+2 hrs: 50-60 mg 1:1 changa (optional)
+4 hrs: 100 g boiled Ayahuasca + 60-120 mg DMT (depending on mood)

(=strong dosages)

 

[arcologist]

I never had good results taking anything in capsules, with 8+ misfires and maybe one very mild experience, even at high doses.

My only successes with pharma have been to take both harmalas and DMT together in solution (pre-dissolved) as with ayahuasca. You might be ok to take the DMT 10-15 minutes after the harmalas, but I wouldn't wait any longer. You need them to be together for the DMT to be protected from MAO in the stomach.

 

[some one]

Good to know capsules don't always work for everyone.

You need to take both together indeedz.

But what soul is saying is interesting as well: take force alone, wait for its mild effects, then take a dose of force + light together. This way your body is saturated with force prior to dosing the official hit.

Haven't tried yet, but it makes sense. Of course you could start by force + light as well instead of just force. But waiting to do light the second time will probably make the rise stronger. Which to me personally is a desirable effect.

In terms of DMT economics, it might be more efficient to dose +0 hrs: force only, +1 hrs: force + 50 mg DMT (or equivalent plant matter). Compared to: +0hrs: force + 25 mg DMT, +1 hrs: force + 25 mg DMT. I like to save on DMT; good Mimosa seems harder to get hold of than good vine; and its easier to boil Ayahuasca than boil (let alone extract) dmt.

The only issue I see is puking @ +1.5 hrs, throwing out the second dosage prior to take effect.

Will try this and let you know how it was..