Centrifuge cleanup of DMT solvent pull?

[1Starway7]

After sitting all night i tilted the flask and noticed something laying on bottom...could it be DMT in some form?

I gave the flask a light shake and it quickly desolved back into the mix...

no defatting has been done yet...

in this first small test ... [ ive only used 45grams of bark]......im probibly going to add a tablespoon of lye crystals ... and freebase the red mixture...then add fresh napatha and take pulls ...expecting that some plant fat will come out with the raw napatha pull.......ill then transport the napatha to a seperator bottle... and mix fresh acidic water ..shake multable times and defatt...

I would like to take the napatha pull and see what happens after spinning it in the centrafuge just out of curiosity...

 

[Transform]

I gave the flask a light shake and it quickly desolved back into the mix...

Dissolved or dispersed? I'd let that settle out again and decant off the liquid, just to have a go at working out what it might be.

 

[1Starway7]

Dissolved or dispersed? I'd let that settle out again and decant off the liquid, just to have a go at working out what it might be.

what does dispersed mean?....I suspect its plant fats...but not shure...It hasent been freebased yet...If i did decant .... what test could i do to it? any ideas ill try it?

i noticed after shaking the bottle lightly ... after setting it down with in 3 or 4 minutes... it started to settle on bottom of jar again...does this mean something?.... like desolve or /disperse

 

[1Starway7]

I would say it dispersed ....swirled around in the container ..then dropped down slowly to the bottom of container... it was very hard to see when it dispersed..it must have dropped because of weight

 

[Transform]

what does dispersed mean?....I suspect its plant fats...but not shure...It hasent been freebased yet...If i did decant .... what test could i do to it? any ideas ill try it?

i noticed after shaking the bottle lightly ... after setting it down with in 3 or 4 minutes... it started to settle on bottom of jar again...does this mean something?.... like desolve or /disperse

You have an insoluble precipitate. It would be very interesting to find out what that might be. What kind of water did you use for the boiling? Did you add any acid? My instinct is leaning towards the precipitate being an insoluble calcium salt of an organic acid.

Whatever it is, it would be prudent to remove it before the base step and naphtha pulls. Once you've decanted the clear supernatant away from the precipitate, you could run it through the centrifuge one more time to get it really clear prior to adding the base (after, of course, separating it from any further solids that get thrown down in the centrifuge).

Fastidious removal of particulates is likely to make it almost impossible to produce an emulsion, but only if the clear liquid doesn't sustain a foam after vigorous shaking. That is to say, in case any components have a surfactant (detergent) effect, you'd best shake it up prior to adding any naphtha, just in case. If it does foam significantly, stick to the trusty ol' rock 'n' roll.

Bit of a thought tangent there, hope it all still makes sense.

TLDR; separate off the clear liquid, centrifuge and separate again. We can think about the precipitate once you've pulled from the clear liquid.

 

[1Starway7]

You have an insoluble precipitate. It would be very interesting to find out what that might be. What kind of water did you use for the boiling? Did you add any acid? My instinct is leaning towards the precipitate being an insoluble calcium salt of an organic acid.

Whatever it is, it would be prudent to remove it before the base step and naphtha pulls. Once you've decanted the clear supernatant away from the precipitate, you could run it through the centrifuge one more time to get it really clear prior to adding the base (after, of course, separating it from any further solids that get thrown down in the centrifuge).

Fastidious removal of particulates is likely to make it almost impossible to produce an emulsion, but only if the clear liquid doesn't sustain a foam after vigorous shaking. That is to say, in case any components have a surfactant (detergent) effect, you'd best shake it up prior to adding any naphtha, just in case. If it does foam significantly, stick to the trusty ol' rock 'n' roll.

Bit of a thought tangent there, hope it all still makes sense.

TLDR; separate off the clear liquid, centrifuge and separate again. We can think about the precipitate once you've pulled from the clear liquid.

I used distilled/purified water......i added white vinegar...

 

[1Starway7]

I spun those two flasks again... and it picked up ...a little more of the...[ tan sand.]..I think re running the machine again picks up the little that it missed the first time...

plus... i only ran it the first time 5 minutes...

 

[Transform]

I spun those two flasks again... and it picked up ...a little more of the...[ tan sand.]..I think re running the machine again picks up the little that it missed the first time...

plus... i only ran it the first time 5 minutes...

I look forward to hearing how the extraction goes on the now crystal clear liquid!

If yields are off, then you could turn your attention to the "tan sand" - which does kind of ring a bell from old A/B MHRB extractions. It could almost be mistaken for DMT, but lacks any odour and is insoluble in (weakish) acid. I wouldn't be surprised to find that it's calcium oxalate or similar.

 

[1Starway7]

I look forward to hearing how the extraction goes on the now crystal clear liquid!

If yields are off, then you could turn your attention to the "tan sand" - which does kind of ring a bell from old A/B MHRB extractions. It could almost be mistaken for DMT, but lacks any odour and is insoluble in (weakish) acid. I wouldn't be surprised to find that it's calcium oxalate or similar.

remember this is just a small low level test...only 45 grams of ...[bark peices]... dont expect a large yeild...

view pictures ...left to right....
here goes ..first picture.....one table spoon of ...lye

.it darkens the mix ...[ 2nd picture].. glass is hot

.....third picture first napatha pull looks surprisingly clear.....

picture 4....2nd pull,... developing very light yellow shade?

i took 2 or three more napatha pulls and noticed something different....on pulls 3..4..5 not pictured here... the napatha pulls ...at first .. for 3...to....5... seconds appeared more yellow but the yellow faded away pretty quickly leaving a very slight yellow tint....ive never seen this happen before!

 

[1Starway7]

Second solvent pull......after giving the vial a hot water bath.... shaking then submerging into heated water ...several times i notice the napatha is taking on a light yellow look which is a sign that its pulling from the soup...

remember this is just a small low level test...only 45 grams of ...[bark peices]... dont expect a large yeild...

view pictures ...left to right....
here goes ..first picture.....one table spoon of ...lye

.it darkens the mix ...[ 2nd picture].. glass is hot

.....third picture first napatha pull looks surprisingly clear.....

picture 4....2nd pull,... developing very light yellow shade?

good news..... last night put half of the pulls into the freezer then after 12 hours this morning checked the dish...and to my surprise im seeing crystals all over the bottom of dish....and im happy to say that everything in the freezer dish is pure white!!
So far...it appears the centrifuge has done a good job of cleaning the soup....
removing the heavier bark particles and possibly other things that cant be seen with the human eye!
Im only going by what i see in the freezer dish...it looks snow white everywhere in the dish....

its only been 12 hours should i leave it in the freezer longer?. .its only a small amount of bark ..i cant expect that high of a yeald]

it appears that the centrafuge alowed the dmt to remain in the acidic water after being spun! and ..before it was based!!!

 

[Sakkadelic]

Nice!

it appears that the centrafuge alowed the dmt to remain in the acidic water after being spun! and ..before it was based!!!

Yes that is expected since it is dissolved in the acidic water. I'm looking forward to see what happens when you spin the basified dmt soup.

 

[1Starway7]

Nice!

Yes that is expected since it is dissolved in the acidic water. I'm looking forward to see what happens when you spin the basified dmt soup.

the way i did this was.....first..after powdering the bark]... ... ... then boiling the powdered bark in acidified water .atleast 30 minutes.... then filtered the soup through a strainer removing most of the larger bark particles...

Then i put the filtered soup in the centrafuge tubes spun the soup which cleaned it further....[maybe 5 or 6 minutes per spin..]
the centrafuge cleaned soup is now ready to be basified...

[ then i based the soup].... then i added fresh napatha and did about 4 pulls
i put those napatha pulls into a dish and freeze prcipitated it.. this morning after only 12 hours it came out ... SNOW WHITE! ....i think i need to leave the dish in the freezer longr though...

 

[Transform]

the way i did this was.....first..after powdering the bark]... ... and removing the bulk of the bark particles.... then boiling the powdered bark in acidified water .atleast 30 minutes.... then removed the soup... and spun it in the ...centrafuge ......which seperated impuritys from it...
now the acidified water...or .[soup]... is cleaner .....and thats when i basified the soup]...
after basing the soup...i added fresh napatha and did about 4 pulls
i put those napatha pulls into a dish and freeze prcipitated it.. this morning after only 12 hours it came out snow white/// i think i need to leave the dish in the freezer longr though...

Yes, it's just we'd be interested to know what might happen if the basified solution was centrifuged before/without doing any naphtha pulls. The density gradient should force separation of precipitating DMT, as long as the solution is dense enough.

 

[1Starway7]

Yes, it's just we'd be interested to know what might happen if the basified solution was centrifuged before/without doing any naphtha pulls. The density gradient should force separation of precipitating DMT, as long as the solution is dense enough.

I didnt spin the based soup this time...after basing... i simply added napatha...and did pulls..
why is it important to spin the based soup ?

if you want i could try this on the other 50 percent of the soup i have left...

 

[1Starway7]

ok i put about 1/4 teaspoon of lye into centrifuge capsule and poured in some spun bark soup capped it and shook the container first ..the lye turned the soupe dark as expected... if any dmt it couldent be much...concidering i only used 45 grams of bark and this is a very small dose of soup.... only 12ml container...
now i put it in the centrifuge..will return...

 

[Transform]

why is it important to spin the based soup ?

It isn't necessarily important in the context of everyday extracting. At least a couple of us were interested in the experimental outcome, seeing as you have the apparatus.

if you want i could try this on the other 50 percent of the soup i have left...

If you're happy to do that, it would be awesome to find out the results. Even if nothing useful happens, you should still be able to pull with naphtha afterwards.

I'd suggest to use brand-new glassware if centrifuging lye solutions, if at all possible (unless you're already using plastic).

 

[1Starway7]

It isn't necessarily important in the context of everyday extracting. At least a couple of us were interested in the experimental outcome, seeing as you have the apparatus.

If you're happy to do that, it would be awesome to find out the results. Even if nothing useful happens, you should still be able to pull with naphtha afterwards.

I'd suggest to use brand-new glassware if centrifuging lye solutions, if at all possible (unless you're already using plastic).

ok i spun the mix in one 12ml tube thats not a lot of soup..couldent hold much dmt...

results were that it threw some dark sedement to one end of tube...leaving a some what thinned dark liquid solution in tube..if there was dmt if couldent be much at that low 12ml dose of liquid...
I poured out the liquid in a glass...look below..

im still impressed with the snow white color of the first freeze.percipitate i did...

 

[Transform]

Yes, the freeze result sounds great!

Thanks for spinning that sample. It doesn't look too useful by itself, but it would be interesting to know whether the DMT concentrated into the sludge or stayed in the solution.

Do you think you could do a couple of separate, tiny pulls with naphtha? One on the sludge, the other on the liquid, of course. Maybe the DMT is more concentrated in the sludge? That, or indeed any separation of the DMT in either direction, might prove somewhat useful if it were to be the case.

 

[1Starway7]

Yes, the freeze result sounds great!

Thanks for spinning that sample. It doesn't look too useful by itself, but it would be interesting to know whether the DMT concentrated into the sludge or stayed in the solution.

Do you think you could do a couple of separate, tiny pulls with naphtha? One on the sludge, the other on the liquid, of course. Maybe the DMT is more concentrated in the sludge? That, or indeed any separation of the DMT in either direction, might prove somewhat useful if it were to be the case.

the centrifuge makes the process faster ... because it only takes 5 or 6 minutes to spin 6 viles of dirty soup making the end result much cleaner..
also... it may be usefull for rue extraction and posible other natural plants... havent tryed it on any other plant material yet...

 

[1Starway7]

after a little searching i found that ... THC... can be easily extracted using a centrifuge... the ... THC .. ends up packed solidly in one end of the tube also the pain killing CBD can be removed with a centrifuge...

im going to test .. syrian rue seed ...with it and see what happens..

theres got to be more uses for this machine....