Ceremonial Magick/occult use of DMT???

[omera]

I might be getting a hit of DMT today and I want to know what the possible risks are. I'd most likely be smoking it in my ritual space, which is in my yard and somewhat closed off and surrounded by wood boards and fence parts. Most likely I'd be tripping by myself because of the spiritual implications of this, but if necessary I can get a sitter.

I'll be sure to remove my two ritual swords from the space before hand.

 

[3rdI]

the risks are small, the mere smahing of ones reality and the rearangement of your beliefs and how you view your reality.

not much really:d

welcome to the nexus, have a look through the experience reports to get a better idea of what your in for.

 

[JuremaSpaceship]

Welcome, do you have experience with other psychedelics?

 

[nexalizer]

I reckon Magick and Psychedelics go very well hand in hand. Isn't the most essencial thing being in an altered state of consciousness?

Jackpot!

 

[Doodazzle]

In chaos magick gnosis is the charge that is used to fire off a sigil.

Cermemonial magick with it's theatrics creates gnosis....and/or create such a scene that the gods/spirits/universe take notice. Same difference perhaps.


Having studied this kid of thing a good bit, I still can only dimly see a system inwhich the spice can be incorporated. Low dosages of less mindblowing psychedelics are often used in ritual magick, refered to as chemognosis...idk, one of course could try and vape spice whilst holding a sigil in mind ala the death posture. But here I am referencing A O Spare and the chaos magick current. This post modern magickal system lacks the pomp and theatrics which of course go along with ceremonial magick.

I'd be quite weary of trying this with anything other than an altruistic mindset--I wouldn't vape any spice whilst holding a sigil in mind for any vulgar desire.....of course for a sigil to be effective one is supposed to forget the desire which was encoded into said sigil.

 

[d*l*b]

I am quite a novice in this particular area of experimentation but I think there are a couple of issues that I have noticed in my very small foray into it. Extreme release and therefore loss of energy and potentially being overly open and vulnerable.

As I say though my experience is minimal and a couple of sessions delving in that direction said to me that I should do more research before doing it again and that I should find some kind of mentor.

 

[lyserge]

In chaos magick gnosis is the charge that is used to fire off a sigil.
Cermemonial magick with it's theatrics creates gnosis....and/or create such a scene that the gods/spirits/universe take notice. Same difference perhaps.
Having studied this kid of thing a good bit, I still can only dimly see a system inwhich the spice can be incorporated. Low dosages of less mindblowing psychedelics are often used in ritual magick, refered to as chemognosis...idk, one of course could try and vape spice whilst holding a sigil in mind ala the death posture. But here I am referencing A O Spare and the chaos magick current. This post modern magickal system lacks the pomp and theatrics which of course go along with ceremonial magick.
I'd be quite weary of trying this with anything other than an altruistic mindset--I wouldn't vape any spice whilst holding a sigil in mind for any vulgar desire.....of course for a sigil to be effective one is supposed to forget the desire which was encoded into said sigil.

Thanks for this information - there was another thread on the relationship between psychedelics and sigils/chaos "magick" at DMT and Sigil-Making.

OP: what the above said. There's a wealth of information on here, and there's always the breath to go back to.

 

[tetra]

Spelling magic with a "K". Blah. Lame.

There is no magic or supernatural. There is only the natural world and our lack of understanding it, hence we label physics we don't know as "magic" or "paranormal". Our pet dog watching us use a lighter would think, were it capable of abstract thought, that we are magicians and gods ("Not to flaunt my superior design, but next to you I'm practically divine.").

 

[lyserge]

Spelling magic with a "K". Blah. Lame.

To distinguish it from the stageshow variety.

There is no magic or supernatural. There is only the natural world and our lack of understanding it, hence we label physics we don't know as "magic" or "paranormal". Our pet dog watching us use a lighter would think, were it capable of abstract thought, that we are magicians and gods ("Not to flaunt my superior design, but next to you I'm practically divine.").

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, as the saying goes, so there's no logical way to prove there is no such thing as magic or the supernatural. However, your statement implies that all that we consider "magic" or "supernatural" is actually natural phenomena we don't yet understand. This seems to be a perfectly usable belief system (program for the brain) for the "magician". If you're familiar with what sigils are and do, then they can be thought of as a way to train the subconscious mind (that which operates outside of our conscious awareness) to behave in certain ways, to achieve certain desired results. As John Lilly stated, "In the province of the mind what one believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits. These limits are to be found experimentally and experientially. When so found these limits turn out to be further beliefs to be transcended. In the province of the mind there are no limits. However, in the province of the body there are definite limits not to be transcended."

but that's a sidetrack from the OP...

 

[d*l*b]

Spelling magic with a "K". Blah. Lame.

There is no magic or supernatural. There is only the natural world and our lack of understanding it, hence we label physics we don't know as "magic" or "paranormal". Our pet dog watching us use a lighter would think, were it capable of abstract thought, that we are magicians and gods ("Not to flaunt my superior design, but next to you I'm practically divine.").

I am one of those terrible people that hates the idea of spirituality and all the new age stuff that so often accompanies it. I maintain an open mind about things that don’t have too much mumbo jumbo associated with them though.

I think that magick is actually probably something very natural and has little supernatural about it at all. I also think that a lot of it is easily dismissed rubbish, however no point in outright disregarding all of it. I think with time we will come to be able to understand with rational scientific theories.

 

[Bill Cipher]

Spelling magic with a "K". Blah. Lame.

There is no magic or supernatural. There is only the natural world and our lack of understanding it, hence we label physics we don't know as "magic" or "paranormal". Our pet dog watching us use a lighter would think, were it capable of abstract thought, that we are magicians and gods ("Not to flaunt my superior design, but next to you I'm practically divine.").

Amen to that, brother. Anyone spelling magic with a K is in need of an immediate wedgie.

 

[nexalizer]

Amen to that, brother. Anyone spelling magic with a K is in need of an immediate wedgie.

Spelling magic with a "K". Blah. Lame.

Many who are/were followers of Aleister Crowely use the 'k' to differentiate between parlor tricks and what I call using your subconscious to manifest changes within your consciousness.

(...)

Magic is a parlor trick. People that perform magic are those such as: David Copperfield, Siegfried and Roy, and so on. These are the masters of illusion. Tricks to make you "ooh and ahh" wondering just how they did that. On the other scale you have magick. Those that perform magick go by no title unless it's necessary. They may be called 'magickian', 'sorcerer', 'witch', 'priest/ess', 'minister', etc. Their art is that of self-enhancement, benefiting not only themselves but their communities and environment. Faith healers, chemists, scientists; these are many of your modern day magickians.

There is no magic or supernatural. There is only the natural world and our lack of understanding it, hence we label physics we don't know as "magic" or "paranormal". Our pet dog watching us use a lighter would think, were it capable of abstract thought, that we are magicians and gods ("Not to flaunt my superior design, but next to you I'm practically divine.").

Magick is the art of changing consciousness in accordance with will (not what you want per say, but your TRUE will) by using personal and natural energies. There is nothing 'supernatural' about it, as all comes from Nature and all will sooner or later return.

 

[Ice House]

:twisted:

Good Luck

 

[Doodazzle]

Amen to that, brother. Anyone spelling magic with a K is in need of an immediate wedgie.

I got a wet-willy and a noogie for anyone who tries it.



Magick has been defined as brain change willed. There's other definitions on the market. Still, a lot of what passes for magick is rather self-development oriented....anyone out to "find love" or "get that promotion" or "revenge on the kids that laghed at me in school" or anything like that. A magus who can't handle him/herself in ordinary reality, well, that's absurd--anyone seeking such mundane matters would do best to find mundane solutions first. I would highly recomend NOT ever using the spice in combination with ritual magick in persuit of such ends. One should be a well balanced human being long before messing with magick, long before messing with dmt and certainly long before combining the two.


I'd love it if the OP came in and provided his or her definition of magick.

 

[omera]

I got a wet-willy and a noogie for anyone who tries it.



Magick has been defined as brain change willed. There's other definitions on the market. Still, a lot of what passes for magick is rather self-development oriented....anyone out to "find love" or "get that promotion" or "revenge on the kids that laghed at me in school" or anything like that. A magus who can't handle him/herself in ordinary reality, well, that's absurd--anyone seeking such mundane matters would do best to find mundane solutions first. I would highly recomend NOT ever using the spice in combination with ritual magick in persuit of such ends. One should be a well balanced human being long before messing with magick, long before messing with dmt and certainly long before combining the two.


I'd love it if the OP came in and provided his or her definition of magick.

I actually take a combination of ceremonial invocations/banishings and gnostic sigil charging such as via death posture (although the posture always induces an altered mindset, which I will follow with tracing correspondent planet symbols, elemental pentagrams, the Fehu rune, etc along with visualization, the death posture rarely causes blackout).
I practice things from a stable LHP perspective (LHP as in ammoral, not LHP as 'have sex with as many goth satanists as possible'). I don't prescribe to any idea of universal morality, but I'd prefer the world to have order in some form or another.
Now the sigil charging via dmt sounds applicable. Is there much of a risk of moving around unconsciously while tripping, like one would do on salvia for example?

I've smoked salvia 5 times. Many of those sessions were done in anxious, impatient mindsets, and I was always being watched by a family member. But none of the trips ever seemed to turn sketchy or bad.

 

[MySmelf]

Spelling magic with a "K". Blah. Lame.

There is no magic or supernatural. There is only the natural world and our lack of understanding it, hence we label physics we don't know as "magic" or "paranormal". Our pet dog watching us use a lighter would think, were it capable of abstract thought, that we are magicians and gods ("Not to flaunt my superior design, but next to you I'm practically divine.").

You obviously have no idea what Magick with a "k" is. As some here have already stated, it has nothing to do with the supernatural really. It is simply self induced brain change through the symbolism of the subconscious.

I think all serious psychonauts are actually practicing a form of magick.

 

[tetra]

Spelling magic with a "K". Blah. Lame.

There is no magic or supernatural. There is only the natural world and our lack of understanding it, hence we label physics we don't know as "magic" or "paranormal". Our pet dog watching us use a lighter would think, were it capable of abstract thought, that we are magicians and gods ("Not to flaunt my superior design, but next to you I'm practically divine.").

You obviously have no idea what Magick with a "k" is. As some here have already stated, it has nothing to do with the supernatural really. It is simply self induced brain change through the symbolism of the subconscious.

I think all serious psychonauts are actually practicing a form of magick.

Oh, obviously. "Self induced brain change" is NOT MAGIC! It is an act of INTENTION.

Let me see if I can give you some magic:

A part of the electromagnetic field that fills the nervous system rests a few centimeters above the skin, outside of the body. This field is an organ just like the heart or the brain. It is in quantum superposition, the electrons effectively everywhere in the universe and nowhere specific. It may be imprinted by information from anywhere and any time. With it, you may see other worlds, you may see the past and the future, you may see into the lives of those around you. You may haunt God. However, the process of imprinting itself causes the organ to cease to be in superposition and thus to cease to be accessible to further imprinting. The ability to control this organ can be developed.

How, you may ask?

Many practices will work, but the best is to meditate in such a way that the mind is concentrated on physical sensation. This relieves the pressure of impressions incoming from the physical world on the electromagnetic body and enables it to expand. How far can it expand? Anybody can become God. In life.

 

[Sim Sallah B]

"I have enjoyed the friendship of devotees of the Phoenix on three continents; it seems clear to me that at first the Secret struck them as something paltry, distressing, vulgar and (what is even stranger) incredible. They could not reconcile themselves to the fact that their ancestors had lowered themselves to such conduct. The odd thing is that the Secret has not been lost long ago; despite the vicissitudes of the world, despite wars and exoduses, it extends, in its tremendous fashion, to all the faithful. One commentator has not hesitated to assert that it is already instinctive."

Jorge Luis Borges

 

[ChaoticMethod]

Oh, obviously. "Self induced brain change" is NOT MAGIC! It is an act of INTENTION.

That's exactly what Magick is. Your lack of culture doesn't make you right. Nobody ever said that Magick is supernatural (I don't believe in anything supernatural either).

Your own beliefs aren't superior to others', specially in a case like this where your beliefs can't be proven.

 

[ragabr]

Well, you can claim that "nobody ever said that Magick is supernatural," but the man who popularized the usage was certain that it dealt with discarnate intelligences:

The law of probablities excludes all theories but one. The simple Truth is what I have always asserted.

There is a Being called Aiwaz, an intelligence discarnate, who wrote this Book of the Law, using my ears and hand. His mind is certainly superior to my own in knowledge and in power, for He has dominated me and taught me ever since.

But that apart, the proof of any discarnate intelligence, even of the lowest order, has never before been established. And lack of that proof is the flaw in all the religions of the past; man could not be certain of the existence of "God", because though he knew many powers independent of muscle, he knew of no consciousness independent of nerve.