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CERN used the LHC to collide two hadrons at 7 TeraElectonVolts today.

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DrAcai

DrAcai

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What kind of new information was gathered? Does anyone have a clue? Or is it just the same sort of "new" information that only spawns more questions?

Does this new information have any answers to our multiple questions?

Can they confirm that no invisible wormhole membranes were formed?

Does anybody here study physics, to the extent of being able to interpret any on the new information out there?

Has anyone had a lecture on the new situation?

Thanks in advance
-Acai.
 
DrAcai,

It's just smoke and mirrors. They found out it is not safe/braced enough to run at full power, so they are going to slowly power it down and try to upgrade . . . while conducting little experiments along the way. Here's hoping for real experiments to come in . . . wait for it . . . yes . . . 2012!

Peace & Love,
Pandora
 
I'm no physicist, but I think it will take years for teams of scientists to analyze the MASSIVE amounts of data being generated by the LHC...it isn't as simple as turning it on and...BAM..figuring out all the secrets of the universe in a few minutes. I'm all in favour of the LHC and what it will show...what it confirms we theoretically think to be true, or disproves, will all be gains for science. And there's nothing wrong with more questions... 😉
 
The experiments they have done were not at full power, but im sure they will be able to find some interesting stuff as the results are analysed.
This will take some time though, they have generated some data, but now scientists have to spend hours/days/years trying to extract information from it.
Information they are looking for is new fundamental particles, such as the higgs boson (theoretical particle responsible for mass in atoms), evidence of dark matter, evidence of new dimensions.
Realy they dont know whats going to come out of the results. Previous experiments with particle colliders have taught us alot of unexpected information about the composition of atoms. This collider is not unique but its much more powerfull, hopefully it can teach us new unexpected things, and maybe solve a few mysterys in physics
 
I for one am hoping that the Standard Model as we know it will not survive these immense collisions; and that in one way or another, this is the beginning of a new paradigm of understanding.
 
88 said:
I for one am hoping that the Standard Model as we know it will not survive these immense collisions; and that in one way or another, this is the beginning of a new paradigm of understanding.
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Is it not more likely though that these collisions will confirm the standard model?
The model was developed largely from the results of similar though less powerfull colliders, and seems to work very well, though there are a few gaps which the LHC results may be able to fill.
Having said that im not realy too familiar with this area of physics, and in the past new discoveries have a tendancy invalidate their predecessors.
Im hoping the results will show new particles, maybe a new layer with even smaller pieces, if they discovered something which can to proven to require other dimensions to exist that would be amazing
If the higgs boson or some alternative source of mass in particles is found, that would be incredible. The gravitational force is extremely weak, and theres currently no explanation for this.
 
Bancopuma said:
I'm no physicist, but I think it will take years for teams of scientists to analyze the MASSIVE amounts of data being generated by the LHC...it isn't as simple as turning it on and...BAM..figuring out all the secrets of the universe in a few minutes. I'm all in favour of the LHC and what it will show...what it confirms we theoretically think to be true, or disproves, will all be gains for science. And there's nothing wrong with more questions... 😉
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I agree, I said this when there was the whole hoo-haa when it was first being switched on. Even if they had ran it at full power that day, collected all their data and everything had gone exactly to plan, they would probably spend a good couple of years analysing, verifying and deciphering the data to only then come up with discussions which would raise questions and form arguements on both sides on the fence which would go on for several more years until a middle-ground was formed......then they would start discussing what the hell it all actually meant!!

It's all very interesting, but I don't expect it to reveal anything new or revolutionary for at least 10-20 years.

Methtical
 
expanding said:
Is it not more likely though that these collisions will confirm the standard model?
The model was developed largely from the results of similar though less powerfull colliders, and seems to work very well, though there are a few gaps which the LHC results may be able to fill.
Having said that im not realy too familiar with this area of physics, and in the past new discoveries have a tendancy invalidate their predecessors.
Im hoping the results will show new particles, maybe a new layer with even smaller pieces, if they discovered something which can to proven to require other dimensions to exist that would be amazing
If the higgs boson or some alternative source of mass in particles is found, that would be incredible. The gravitational force is extremely weak, and theres currently no explanation for this.
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I'm no physicist either, but it seems to me that the SM has become increasingly unable to explain reality, and it's dysfunctional relationship with relativity can't go on like this. Think of the children :lol:

I'm hoping for a moment of genius.
 
Methtical said:
It's all very interesting, but I don't expect it to reveal anything new or revolutionary for at least 10-20 years.
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I think its going to be alot sooner than this. We could have results in weeks, though its more likely to be longer.
If the first set of experiments does show anything new, i expect it will be discovered anytime over the next few months, maybe upto a year. After that new discoveries should trickle in over the next 5 or so years, as the power is boosted, and the results are better analysed and argued over.
However there is always a chance that the LHC could show nothing impressive. It is very big and very powerfull, but its not otherwise unique, and most of its little brothers have already made the easy discoverys


88 said:
expanding said:
Is it not more likely though that these collisions will confirm the standard model?
The model was developed largely from the results of similar though less powerfull colliders, and seems to work very well, though there are a few gaps which the LHC results may be able to fill.
Having said that im not realy too familiar with this area of physics, and in the past new discoveries have a tendancy invalidate their predecessors.
Im hoping the results will show new particles, maybe a new layer with even smaller pieces, if they discovered something which can to proven to require other dimensions to exist that would be amazing
If the higgs boson or some alternative source of mass in particles is found, that would be incredible. The gravitational force is extremely weak, and theres currently no explanation for this.
Click to expand...

I'm no physicist either, but it seems to me that the SM has become increasingly unable to explain reality, and it's dysfunctional relationship with relativity can't go on like this. Think of the children :lol:

I'm hoping for a moment of genius.
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I am a physicist :p, at degree level anyway. But its a somewhat large subject :). I expect you know as much about the standard model as me.
It would be lovely if the brain breaking disfunctionality that makes up quantum physics would go away. It would definately make my life alot easier, and more interesting. Quantum physics tends to be incredibly dull, as none of it realy makes any sence to anyone, it consists of many ridiculously hard concepts and equations.
But unfortunately if anything i expect its only going to get worse. If it had a simple explanation it should have been found already, and there is too much evidence supporting the silly stuff.

Oh well, if we are lucky maybe we can find a few new dimensions, this would most likely lead to new problems but its the only way i can see of making things clearer.
Could give dmt smokers a big advantage over other scientists too, as we would have a better grasp of 10dimensional objects:lol:
 
It will be some time before the numbers are crunched and any info will be available. Also many collisions will need to be done to attain the information needed to give a result.

The primary goal is to find the higgs boson/graviton/god particle which gives the universe it's mass. Accoring to M theory ( 3rd generation string theory ). The graviton must be a particle capable of existing between parallel universes. Thus why some use the term multiverse. I an generalizing the hell out of this because I can spend a good 2-3 pages explaining this in detail. It's really fascinating stuff.

The eventual goal is to find the 'Big TOE' the big theory of everything a universal theory that explains everything since now einsteins theory of relativity and the theory of quantum physics contradict in many ways. There are 5 forces one of which is gravity but it is currently the only one that cannot be effectively factored into the theory. Gravity you might be suprised to know is the weakest of the 5 fundamental forces. The reason it is so significant to our world is that the earth is large. Simply put you have the entire gravitational force of earth pulling you down but if you have a fridge magnet you can easily see that a small electromagnetic force from it can overcome the force of the entire earth's gravity.
 
Yeah there are 4 I spaced on it. There used to be 5 but 2 were merged. For a long time, the electric and magnetic forces were considered to be different forces, but they were finally unified by James Maxwell.
 
vovin said:
Yeah there are 4 I spaced on it. There used to be 5 but 2 were merged. For a long time, the electric and magnetic forces were considered to be different forces, but they were finally unified by James Maxwell.
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*cough* cough* SCOTTISH *cough*
 
so what is your point? So some monkeys excreted some lines in a paper and tried to infuse a sense of identity to all the people inside each division. but does the achievement of someone inside these arbitrary imaginary lines make someone else in the same group a better person? No it doesnt... Nationalism and patriotism is a blind and exophobia-generating belief. Break free! We're all humans!

No offense of course and I know you at least half-meant it as a joke, but still, I think we enthenogen/psychedelic people should go beyond these boundaries and denounce them for their absurdity whenever possible...
 
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