chocobeastie said:
It is not merely, harmine or harmalas in "salt form" - but as is - au naturale! It makes sense to leave the alkaloids as they are in nature. If you want to make them freebase, fine, go ahead. But I haven't seen solid reports or mentions that this may be truly worthwhile. And as stated, I have not seen why the addition of more harmine alkaloids is completely necessary in the first place!
Au naturale = salt form because those plants are acidic, thats just chemistry there. Regarding "solid reports", its not about waiting for someone to show you the answer, I am just asking for people to be autonomous and decide for themselves, and at least once test out an A/B post-soaking and see if there are more harmalas to crash out. I dont see how you could disagree with that, considering im not offending anyone's methods but want people to not blindly follow teks and to collectively explore what is the best way and then share with others the results...
chocobeastie said:
Sure, using a vapourgenie may well be the most effective way to smoke Changa for you. I prefer it in a joint myself… which is the most "wasteful" way to smoke, but also the most social and convenient.
Fine by me, im not saying everybody should do it one way or another, I can only say what is the best for me, but what I am saying is that if you are recommending to others one way, you might as well make them also aware of the other possibilities and that they can eventually choose themselves.
chocobeastie said:
As for combining MDMA with moclobomide. Very obviously, I am not recommending anyone take these combinations (there are no advantages or any type of more positive experience in doing so btw), only that by giving *more extreme* examples of possible danger, we can see that perhaps potential toxicity with MDMA may be an overstated issue when it comes to smoking MAOI's.
Having said that, I probably should not positively endorse that particular combination seeing observant had that experience and will edit all this in time .
and perhaps potential toxicity isnt overstated. I dont think its right to use friends or others on the internet as lab rats considering what we know pharmacologically about these substances. Time to edit is
now, considering people can have serious problems following your words. I added a warning in your first post, feel free to remove it once you have completely edited your recommendations.
chocobeastie said:
My basic conclusion is that:
"MAOI toxicity is generally overrated as a "danger" within the west, and is more likely to be something each individual has to ascertain for themselves."
I know a man who eaten all the wrong foods on Ayahuasca deliberately many times, and have no negative effects whatsover. When drinking Ayahuasca, the two foods we have seen people have problems with are red wine and blue vine cheese, and that was only with harmalines and not harmine.
What do you mean by MAOI toxicity? Your words are not precise enough. MAOI as in harmalas/RIMAs or as in any MAOI? MAOI toxicity as in by themselves? As in combination with food? As in combination with SSRI/Amphetamines?
The fact that people have died combining RIMAs and SSRIs/Amphetamines shows me pretty clearly that it isnt overrated danger, specially considering it was people who could have been like anybody here, just looking to have good fun.
As I already stated further back (and as is in our FAQ), the only danger I agree is over-stated is the combination of harmalas/RIMAs and food, but there is a very specific pharmacological explanation for this, because tyramine is eliminated by MAO-B and not MAO-A, which is what is inhibited by harmalas/moclobemide.
chocobeastie said:
As for the double blind tests. I am not a scientist and don't give much credibility to the scientitific method as a way of knowing
I don't feel any obligation whatsoever to validate my observations via a particular scientific method, and I will leave that to people who feel that "science" is the most valid way we can know things.
Thanks to the scientific method ayahuasca is legalized in Brazil. Just one simple example (out of many I could use, including the existence of this very forum) how it is a great way of knowing and that directly results in benefits to the community.
Not saying you should do the double blind test, though, you do what you want. I just doubted that you could tell appart synthetic dmt from extracted, considering they are both pure, because you were the one that made such affirmation and it doesnt make sense to me. I think if you dont want to test, maybe better not make that affirmation (speculation) in the first place then, but thats just my opinion
Lastly, its not about science being more valid in an absolute sense, its all complementary.